Point of Debate: Hall of Fame


Sorry guys, I hate to bring up those three dreaded words again…

I was having a text conversation with a buddy last night talking about what would happen if baseball ceased after this year. With the new CBA imposing financial penalties on irresponsible overspending, what would happen to the game if a dozen teams just folded up because they no longer could compete?

We ended up talking about how many currently active players would be Hall of Famers. We’re not talking the recently retired obvious choices like Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson, but guys who still show up at the park everyday and put on a uniform.

As we were tossing names at each other, I was writing them down; Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro, Chipper, etc. We agreed on the steriod guys like ARod and Pudge because if there was no more baseball no one would really care anyway.

(Speaking of not caring, neither of us mentioned Raines or Bagwell..lol).

As I looked down at the eight or so names on the list, we hadn’t listed one pitcher.


His feelings on closers are the same as mine, and despite Mariano Rivera being an obvious lock, neither of us mentioned him.

So, this morning, I went to Baseball Reference and checked a couple of pages.

**Geek Alert**Geek Alert**

To save time, I checked WAR, not because I recently had a stroke or sustained a head injury, but just to save time.

There are 68 pitchers  in the Hall. Between them, they played an average of 17 seasons and posted a career WAR of 64. (Twenty-nine of the sixty-four had a WAR above 64).

The HOF pitcher with the lowest career WAR who was elected by the BBWAA is Catfish Hunter, with a 32.1. 

There are currently 13 active ML pitchers who have pitched the prerequisite ten seasons to be eligible for induction with a career WAR equal to or better than Hunter.

They are;

Roy Halladay, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Tim Hudson, CC Sabathia, Johan Santana, Mark Buerhle, Jamie Moyer, Carlos Zambrano, Barry Zito, Bartolo Colon, Chris Carpenter and Derek Lowe.

Out of the group, none have a career WAR equal to the HOF average, Halladay’s 63.1 is closest, a 2012 season close to his career season average of 4.5 would push him to “slightly above” average. Even the “great” Rivera falls painfully short of “average” at 52.8.

WAR certainly isn’t the definitive stat, but based just on what it’s supposed to tell us, there is no current active pitcher who is an average HOFer.

Obviously, because he’s the all-time career leader in the most overrated, insignificant stat in all of sports, Rivera is a likely HOFer.

But if baseball really did end, and the decision was yours to make, would anyone else off this list get your vote?

None would get mine.


702 Responses to “Point of Debate: Hall of Fame”

  1. JohnBowen Says:

    If baseball ended, it would be a different story. I would vote Halladay in for sure, and I think Sabathia would get a “benefit-of-the-doubt” vote. Meaning, if he blew out his arm and his career ended, he wouldn’t be worthy…but if the freaking sport ceased to exist, I’d be willing to bet he would’ve put together at least another solid 3-4 years before tailing off, and that would’ve been enough to put him over the top.

    Figure, that puts him in the ~65ish WAR range, with about 250 wins (as if that matters), well over 3000 IP and a Cy Young to boot.

    And then you have the case for Johan Santana, who has an uphill battle after missing all of 2011, and about 15 starts from 2009-2010. I would say no…but it would be pretty tough to deny him if he had won the 2005 Cy Young award, right? That would’ve given him 3 in a row, and only Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux can lay claim to that feat (4 for both).

    And the fact that Santana didn’t win that 05 award was a joke.

    Santana: 16-7, 2.87 ERA, 155 ERA+, 0.971 WHIP, 231.2 IP, 238 K’s, 6.9 WAR
    Colon : 21-8, 3.48 ERA, 122 ERA+, 1.159 WHIP, 222.2 IP, 157 K’s, 3.7 WAR

  2. Raul Says:

    I’d say no on Johan, and no on Halladay.
    But they are both fantastic pitchers.

    John is right about 2005.

    I think if baseball ended today, someone would give consideration to Lance Berkman.

  3. Chuck Says:

    So Bryce Harper got mad after grounding out and slammed his bat into the dugout wall.

    Unfortunately, the bat decided to slam him back and he ended up with ten stitches under his left eye.


    On a positive note, it appears he got rid of his stupid punk-ass haircut.

  4. Chuck Says:


    As a pitcher?

  5. Raul Says:

    lol, well…no. Not as a pitcher.

    I can’t think of any pitchers I’d elect right now.

  6. Raul Says:

    The picture of Bryce Harper all bloody was pretty bad ass. Had he gotten it from a hard slide into a base, or from running into a wall it would have been kinda cool.

    But to get it from a tantrum is lame.

    I think he should call up Paul O’Neill. Paul threw more tantrums than anyone…but he was actually a good player, and he didn’t bust his face up.

  7. Chuck Says:

    I just glanced…

    Average WAR for a HOF offensive player is 65, although that includes everyone who had at least one plate appearance, pitchers and really bad players who went on to be great managers.

    So, you can safely bump that to 70 or so (fair, John?) if you so choose.

    There are seven active players with a career WAR of 60 or better;

    ARod, Pujols, Chipper, Jeter, Thome and two guys you probably would have had to think about for awhile. (Although if you know me, one shouldn’t really be a surprise).


    Scott Rolen and Carlos Beltran.

    Berkman’s career WAR is 48.7 which ranks him 166th all-time and places him in the general vicinity of Brian Giles.

    There are five HOFers with a career WAR between 49 and 51, two pre-1900 deadball players, two 1900-1920 deadball players, and Tony Perez.

    Berkman’s HOF chances are less than Jorge Posada’s, whose HOF chances are the same as mine.

  8. Raul Says:

    You’re probably right.
    But the media is going to talk about Berkman’s 146 OPS+

  9. Chuck Says:

    There’s such a huge disparity between Berkman’s WAR and OPS+ that it clearly shows the flaws in both.

    Even if you took Berkman’s defense out of his WAR, he still isn’t a 60 WAR player.

    Which points to his offense being overrated, and his being a terrible defensive player.

    His OPS+ is so freakishly high compared to his WAR I’d actually like John to explain why.

  10. Raul Says:

    You made me go and search Manny Ramirez.
    154 OPS+
    His WAR is 64.9
    But his offensive WAR is 77.1 and his defensive WAR is -22.4

    I just find that staggering. I mean whatever issues one has with WAR, it’s gotta be really hard to find anyone with a negative 22.

  11. Raul Says:

    So far this year…

    Starlin Castro: .336/.353/.450 with 16 runs scored, 19 RBI and 12 stolen bases.

    Elvis Andrus: .318/.395/.418 with 23 runs scored, 16 RBI and 6 stolen bases.

    Gun to your head, which player do you want on your team?

  12. Raul Says:

    David Wright is hitting .393.

    How many guys are close to .400 at this point?

    Jeter, Wright, Kemp, Hamilton?

  13. Bob Says:

    I will take Castro. Born in 1990. Andrus was born in 1988. Both play in hitters park. Good question.

  14. Raul Says:

    Yes, it’s still early.

    But it’s worth noting that in the few games they have at the Majors this year, Mike Trout is out-performing Bryce Harper.

    Though, I think Trout benefitted a bit from his call up last year.

  15. Chuck Says:

    Elvis Andrus=Derek Jeter’s replacement.

    Gun to my head?


  16. Raul Says:

    And Mark Trumbo just hit one to South America.

    2-0 Angels.

  17. Chuck Says:

    That’s because Mike Trout’s the better player.


  18. Raul Says:

    Not including today, Giancarlo Stanton is hitting .308/.400/.769 with 5 home runs in the month of May.

  19. Raul Says:

    I think Trout is the guy most of us will compare Bryce Harper with @ Chuck.

    Will be interesting how their careers pan out.

  20. Chuck Says:

    As they should..both were on the top of the prospect lists last couple of years, they’re close in age, they essentially play the same position.

    You can’t compare Harper to Strasburg or Harper to Taillon or Trout to Dustin Ackley or Tony Sanchez.

    They will probably be linked to each other for their entire careers despite what anyone else does.

    As it should be.

  21. Chuck Says:

    If you watched the Pirates/Nationals game last Tuesday, Washington lost 4-2 and Harper “gave” Pittsburgh two runs by overthrowing cutoff men.

    On one replay I saw on MLBNetwork, Ron Gant pointed out, which you could clearly see, Adam LaRoche pounding his own chest with his glove towards Harper, which is baseball talk for “hit the goddamn cut-off man”.

    And it was on the second throw, which means Harper got a lecture in the dugout after the first time and didn’t listen.

    This high school rah rah shit doesn’t play in the pros, and there is a fine line between “aggressive” and “reckless.”

    Harper, IMO, crosses that line pretty frequently.

  22. Raul Says:

    Cutoff men are there for a reason.
    Doesn’t matter if you can hit the 3rd baseman on the fly from 280 feet.

  23. Chuck Says:

    In the Future’s Game last year, Harper did the same thing.

    First and second, two out, US up 2-1.

    Base hit down the left field line, Harper picks up the ball and airmails the cut-off man and throws a strike to home. A close play, but it allowed both runners to move up.

    The next hitter popped up, so no further damage. A couple of innings later Grant Green got the game winning hit, but the US could easily have lost, and it would have been because of Harper’s throw.

    After the game, he admitted to making the throw intentionally to get attention.

    Despite fifty of the best minor league prospects being on the field, the majority in the park were there to see him.

    You know what I think?

    I think, for the first time in his life, Harper looked around and realized he wasn’t the best player on the field and felt he had to do something to turn the red light back on himself.

    Hard to respect a guy who thinks like that, and it’s a sign of immaturity as well.

  24. Raul Says:

    In this Tex/LA game, Matt Vasgersian just used Dan Uggla’s 2011 as the reason why Pujols will bounce back.

  25. Chuck Says:

    He could have used Adam Dunn’s 2012 season too.

  26. Raul Says:

    In high school I had to play RF a few times. One game I launched a throw to home plate…the ball sailed over the catcher, bounced off the backstop up the 3rd base line.

    The guy on 3rd base scored easily, but because my throw ended up running up the 3rd base line and away from the catcher, the kid who was on 2nd base had scored also.

    The moment the play was over, I saw the batter standing on 2nd base and there were still no outs. I felt terrible.

    …and then I got shit about it from my coach.

  27. Raul Says:

    Josh Hamilton with ANOTHER HOME RUN.

    This guy is incredible.

  28. Brautigan Says:

    I would think Rivera gets into the hall just on the basis of his post season performances. Pretty much on the same par as Joe Tinker and Crab Evers.

  29. Chuck Says:

    This picture probably doesn’t do any justice, but…


    It’s 400′ to straightaway center, with the grass berm extending another 20-30 to the batter’s eye, which sits elevated from the field.

    To hit it on the fly, the ball would have to go 430-440 in the air, which realistically is 460-470 on flat ground.

    I’ve been to the park easily 100 times in the ten years it’s been open, spring training, fall league, college and high school games, etc.

    I’ve seen the batter’s eye hit twice on the fly.

    Josh Hamilton did it both times.

    In the same game.

    No shit.

    Once of Sean O’Sullivan when he was with the Angels, and the other off some minor league lefty, I think his number was like 74 or something. I think he peed himself on the mound, too.

  30. Cameron Says:

    If baseball ended today, then I don’t think any of the pitchers would get consideration. As stands, I see Halladay being a safe bet if his career continues the way it has, same with Sabathia. Santana might if he ever returns to form, which is unlikely. Rivera will. I give Carpenter a slight outside shot, but not likely.

    There’s a few position players likely making it in too. Berkman’s definitely making a case with his career revival over in St. Louis, and Guerrero’s pretty well off on his case.

    Pudge will most likely get in because even though he was a Mitchell guy, his case wasn’t exactly publicized and no one cared. My bet is the sportswriters won’t care much. Since A-Rod made his big coming clean announcement, he’ll get in too. …But he’s still a douche.

  31. Cameron Says:

    @29 I saw Mike Jacobs hit the base of the CrownVision in KC, which is actually above the batters eye in center. About a good 430-450 feet dead center.

  32. Cameron Says:

    Oh, and to answer Raul’s question in #11, Andrus. I’ve seen Castro fuck up a lot of easy plays by trying to rush throws or jump for balls he shouldn’t have to jump for. I’ll take the safe bet at short.

  33. Raul Says:

    I know athletes are macho creatures and self confidence is a big thing.

    But if a batter hit a ball 460 feet off me, I think I might re-evaluate my life.

  34. Raul Says:

    Well that was more interesting.

    Instead of talking about whether a guy can hit .400, Fox just threw up a graphic that asked the question if Josh Hamilton could win the triple crown.

    That’s something that seems more possible than .400.

  35. Bob Says:

    He could do both. But it is not yet Memorial Day. Come Labor Day, we should know.

  36. Cameron Says:

    Maybe not your life, Raul, but definitely your game. I know on the Jacobs hit, it was a flat changeup thrown low. Jacobs sits on changes AND low balls. Double whammy for the dumbass.

  37. Raul Says:

    And the Angels win the game, 4-2.

  38. Raul Says:

    Wasn’t there some player (I wanna say Griffey, not sure) that told his pitchers to stop hitting other batters because they were retaliating and hitting him in return?

  39. Chuck Says:

    What Hamels did was the right thing, and everyone knew it was intentional. He should have just said “no comment” and left it at that.

    No doubt his teammates picked up his dinner tab that night, and whatever subsequent fine he got for being suspended.

    I have no problem whatsoever with the whole thing.

    What I’m looking forward to is seeing how Harper reacts next time.

    And there will be a next time.

  40. John Says:

    @11, Andrus, much better defender.

    @8, when has OPS+ ever been used on ESPN? Even once?

    Also, it really shouldn’t shock and appall anyone that Manny Ramirez was a historically bad outfielder.

  41. Cameron Says:

    Yeah… Historically great hitter, historically worse outfielder.

  42. Raul Says:

    “When has OPS+ ever been used on ESPN? Even once?”

    I didn’t single out ESPN. But why don’t you do a search?
    And do you really think that statistic will be overlooked when Berkman comes up for HOF voting?

    Get real.

  43. Raul Says:

    Took me two seconds.

  44. Cameron Says:

    You really think espn.com counts? The exposure goes to the idiots on the desk.

  45. Raul Says:

    Not my problem.

    John asked specifically about ESPN even though I made no reference to it.

  46. Raul Says:

    The Yankees put 4 runs on Hector Noesi in the bottom of the 2nd.

  47. Raul Says:

    Phil Hughes has 1 strikeout the first time through the order.

    That lone strikeout: Jesus Montero

  48. Chuck Says:

    Montero homered last night, didn’t he?

    Wonder what kind of reaction there was.

  49. Raul Says:

    Phil Hughes has to be the worst 2-strike pitcher in baseball.

    Seriously. I’ve never, ever seen a guy get 2-strikes on a batter and either lose him, or give up another 3-4 pitches in getting him out.

  50. Raul Says:


    I didn’t see the reaction, but he homered to…Right Field.

  51. Chuck Says:


    Montero’s homer was, as usual, to right field. Landed in the third row. It’s an out in Safeco.

    And just about everywhere else, too.

  52. Raul Says:

    It was a nice home run.
    I just noticed that pitch was 85 mph from Kuroda.

  53. Chuck Says:

    So, yeah, that’s about it.

    Montero can’t pull batting practice shit.

    He sucks, I’m sorry.

    If you think a .270/25/80 DH is worth it, well, not much to say.

    Montero’s OBP is .281.

    Not his BA, his freakin’ OBP.

    There are five DH’s who have “qualified for the league leading stat sheets.

    Montero has the lowest OPS of anyone..761.

    The next lowest is Travis Hafner at .839.

    Montero’s on pace for 15 walks..for the season. Hafner already has 22, through 24 games.

  54. Cameron Says:

    So, Montero’s an oppo righty in Safeco? …He’s fucked.

  55. John Says:

    My point, Raul, is that OPS+ is not frequently used in the media at all. Hell, Raul referenced the now defunct “page 2”.

    The reason for this supposed discrepency is two-fold:

    Berkman is a poor-fielding OF/1B
    Berkman has only played about 10 full years.

    If a guy hit a HR in his only MLB at-bat, his OPS+ would be like 700. His WAR would be 0.1, if that.

    Make sense?

  56. Raul Says:

    I’m not arguing Berkman for the HOF.

    But I have been on a website where a guy once hinged a HOF argument on stolen bases.

    Frankly, it doesn’t seem that much of a stretch that when Berkman becomes HOF-eligible, someone will throw out his OPS+.

  57. Chuck Says:

    “But I have been on a website where a guy once hinged a HOF argument on stolen bases.”

    Let me guess.

    Dugout Central?

  58. Cameron Says:

    I’ll just say this about Berkman. If he was to retire now? No. But the guy’s in the “padding the numbers” stage of his career, so we’ll see.

  59. Chuck Says:

    Half hour to Rangers/Capitals game seven.

  60. Raul Says:

    This isn’t the same as 1980, but my favorite story about hockey:

    After the US Olympic team beat Russia, they had to beat Finland to win the Gold Medal.

    Trailing 2-1 after the 2nd intermission, Herb Brooks walks into the locker room.

    “If you lose this game you will take it with you to your fucking graves”
    As he started to leave the locker room he stopped, turned back around and added


    …and walked out.

    USA 4
    Finland 2

  61. Chuck Says:

    My Olympic stories.

    Dave Silk was the property of the Rangers. After the Olympics the players went on the Johnny Carson, late night tour then got to go home for awhile.

    I was working for the Rangers’ farm team in New Haven, and the phone rang in the office and I was closest, so I picked it up.

    It was my boss, he told me to grab another guy and head down to the Garden, we had to “pick something up and bring it back.”

    New Haven to the Garden is maybe 45 minutes tops without traffic, maybe less, so we looked at it as an easy ride.

    We get down there, and the “something” we had to pick up was Silk.

    We drive him back to New Haven, not much talk in the car, probably because he slept most of the way. He was toasted.

    He was arrested later that night for public intoxication for pissing on an elevator door in the parking garage next to the arena.

    The other was in Hartford, part of the AHL job was with Springfield, which was the Whaler’s team.

    The Whaler’s offices were in the Civic Center, which is actually part of a mall.

    There were a couple of pretty good restaurants there, we’d go up, do what we had to, then go downstairs and hit happy hour.

    We walked into, I think, Benihana, and sitting at the bar was Herb Brooks and Glen Sather.

    There was maybe ten people in the place, and that included the employees.

    So, right away, we go up to the table and ask Brooks for his autograph.

    He wasn’t very nice, and neither was Sather.

    I think Brooks was pissed we asked him, and Sather because we didn’t.

    I still have his autograph in my collection.

  62. Raul Says:


    Brooks seemed like a no-nonsense kind of guy.

  63. Chuck Says:

    1:32 in, goal Brad Richards, 1-0 Rangers.

    That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

  64. Chuck Says:

    If you get the chance, Raul, you have to read “Miracle on Ice.”

    The list of players Brooks cut is unbelievable.

    It’s like he always said, he wasn’t looking for the best players, he was looking for the best team.

    Some of those guys went on and had some pretty good NHL careers, some never played at all.

    That very well could be the greatest coaching job of all time, in any sport.

  65. Raul Says:

    I’ll check it out.

    Could use a good book…haven’t read anything in about 6 weeks.

  66. Raul Says:

    Chris Sale just gave up 4 hits, 2 walks and 3 runs in the 1st inning of tonight’s game against the Royals.

    Gordon Beckham did make a throwing error, though.

  67. Raul Says:

    Rangers 2
    Capitals 1

  68. Raul Says:

    JA Happ allowed 6 hits and 5 runs against Pittsburgh today.

    McCutchen had 3 of those hits.

    He’d finish 4-4 with a HR, 1 run scored, 1 RBI and a stolen base.

  69. Chuck Says:

    As much as I like Stanton and Alex Gordon and Hamilton, etc, Andrew McCutchen very well may be my favorite player right now.

  70. Raul Says:

    Danny Ainge is fat.

  71. Raul Says:

    A long time ago, Brandon McCarthy was thought to be a top prospect and potential ace.

    Well, that didn’t happen.
    But he did shut down the powerful Detroit Tigers lineup today.

    7 innings, 4 hits, 10 strikeouts, zero walks on 91 pitches.

  72. Chuck Says:

    Did anyone see the video of Hamilton’s homer today?

    Watch how he reads the pitch out of Wilson’s hand..he starts his body forward, then actually stops and sets his hands, then just turns his body and throws the bat right through the ball.

    Damn, you got to be in some kind of zone to do that.

    If you see a more impressive AB then that all year, make sure you share the video.

  73. Cameron Says:

    He probably knew it was coming, Chuck. You team with a guy long as Hamilton did with Wilson and close as they were, he probably knew Wilson’s game pretty well.

  74. JohnBowen Says:

    “Well, that didn’t happen.”

    McCarthy was featured in an ESPN The Magazine cover story about how he transformed his career. Basically, he became more of a groundball pitcher.

    Last year, he placed 9th in the league in WHIP and 2nd in K/BB and I believe he led the league in Fip. This year, he’s been even better.

  75. Raul Says:

    I did see Hamilton’s homer.

    I remember thinking “uh, that’s a ball”

    And he hit it out.

    Hamilton did strike out 3 times though.

  76. Raul Says:

    Matt Kemp is cooling a bit.

    So far he’s 0-2 tonight and he’s down to .368

  77. JohnBowen Says:

    Today, Derek Jeter moved into a tie with Tony Gwynn with his 3141st hit. His next hit will tie him with Robin Yount.

    By the end of the year, I think he’ll find himself 12th all-time, between Willie Mays and Eddie Murray. If he manages to end up with 200 hits, he’ll pass Mays for 11th all-time.

  78. Raul Says:

    Where does Jeter rank in base hits as a shortstop?

  79. Cameron Says:

    Considering that of the three shortstops ahead of him, Yount spent half his career in center, Ripken moved to third, and Honus Wagner wasn’t an everyday shortstop until 29… Probably first.

  80. Raul Says:

    Just watched a thrilling game between Queens Park Rangers and Manchester City. Great finale to the English Premier League.

    Nationals catcher Wilson Ramos has a torn ACL.

  81. Raul Says:

    ESPN is so stupid.

    “Josh Hamilton still using 4-homer bat”

    …in a related story, Robinson Cano still using Web-Gem glove from 2008.

  82. Raul Says:

    Andy Pettitte on the mound.

    They’re giving him a standing ovation.

    I think this guy should retire and get the hell out of the way of the Yankees’ young pitchers.

  83. JohnBowen Says:

    If the Yankees young pitchers were ready, the would be up by now.

    Instead, Freddy Garcia gets trotted out there every 5 days.

  84. Raul Says:

    That’s a result of yankees management and development staff.

    Not the players.

  85. JohnBowen Says:

    You can’t possibly know that.

  86. Raul Says:

    I’ve been following the Yankees for years.
    I do know it.

  87. JohnBowen Says:

    and also, Pettitte re-retiring again won’t make the Yankees prospects develop any faster.

  88. Cameron Says:

    Won’t hurt their development. It’s not like Pettitte being in New York makes Banuelos’s fastball worse.

  89. Raul Says:

    There comes a point where you aren’t learning anything in the minor leagues.

    That isn’t always indicated by some pitcher striking out 10 batters in 4 innings, or by an outfielder hitting 15 home runs in 50 games.

    Andy Pettitte is blocking a position that could be taken by Warren, Phelps, Banuelos, Betances…whomever.

    The way the Yankees mis-managed Joba/Hughes/Kennedy should tell you that.
    The way the Yankees mis-managed Ron Guidry should tell you that.

    I really shouldn’t have to explain why.

  90. JohnBowen Says:

    “The way the Yankees mis-managed Joba/Hughes/Kennedy should tell you that.
    The way the Yankees mis-managed Ron Guidry should tell you that.”

    There was…35 years…in between those two events.

  91. Raul Says:

    The situations were the same.
    I didn’t say they were connected, genius.

  92. Brautigan Says:

    Danny Duffy was hurt in today’s game. I can’t find out what happened.

  93. Raul Says:

    Giancarlo Stanton hit a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th to beat the Mets

  94. Bob Says:

    Elbow tightness for Duffy. Afterc he threw a pitch, Humberto Quintero saw him shake his arm after a throw. He then told Ned Yost ” It’s in my elbow.” Yost then took him out of the game.

  95. Jim Says:

    @87 John. Purely speculation on my part, but teams like the Yanks & RS can be risk adverse about young pitchers, preferring to run a retread out as the 4th-5th starter. If he hadn’t been out of options, the Sox would have sent Felix Dubront back to Pawtucket. While Felix has not been great, he has been much better than Dice-K or Lackey was last year and has pretty consistently kept the Sox in the game and given them 6 innings of work.

  96. Raul Says:

    Well this is interesting.

    MLB dropped a suspension against Colorado Rockies catcher Eliezer Alfonso because the test had the same procedural issues as the Ryan Braun case.

    MLB looks terrible now.

  97. Brautigan Says:

    “MLB looks terrible now.”

    Actually, they have looked “terrible” since I was a child. They just play with more expensive pieces now.

  98. Brautigan Says:

    The Angels released Trevor Reckling.

    After the 2009 season, there were several writers who thought Reckling was going to be in the Angel rotation in 2011. I think Reckling is a cautionary tale about pitchers who have complicated deliveries and struggle with their command.

  99. Chuck Says:

    That’s too bad, I like Reckling, good guy.

    He’ll find a job..he’s lefthanded.

  100. Bob Says:

    J.C.Romero has been released as well as Reckling. Even though he is a lefty as well he may have trouble finding work.

  101. Bob Says:

    Shayam Das was fired by MLB.

  102. Cameron Says:


  103. Bob Says:

    Google the name.

  104. Cameron Says:

    Ah… You know, I’m not surprised, yet disappointed. Typical MLB I suppose. Find that the interpretation of the law is against you, so you change the interpreter.

  105. Chuck Says:

    Tommy John surgery for Danny Duffy.

  106. Jim Says:

    Saw that Torii Hunter has been placed on the Restricted List for personal reasons, anyone with info on why?

  107. Chuck Says:

    Hunter’s son was one of five high schoolers arrested for sexual assault on a child.


  108. Cameron Says:

    …That’s fucked up. Considering three of the kids arrested are legal juveniles, I’m willing to bet the “child” in question wasn’t too far off from their age… But five of them? Fucking hell.

  109. Chuck Says:

    After hitting 11 homers all of last season, Adam Dunn already has 12 this year.

  110. Jim Says:

    @108 – regardless of the ages, sexual assault is sexual assault. The courts will sort it out.

    Thanks Chuck

  111. Bob Says:

    One of the jurors fell asleep during the Clemens trial.

    Reminds me of me. While I am falling in love, my partner is falling asleep!!!

  112. Cameron Says:

    I just noticed a weird thing with this year’s major award winners in the NBA. You can create a full front 5 out of them.

    Rookie of the Year – Kyrie Irving, PG (Cleveland)
    6th Man of the Year – James Harden, SG (Oklahoma City)
    Most Valuable Player – LeBron James, SF (Miami)
    Most Improved Player – Ryan Anderson, PF (Orlando)
    Defensive Player of the Year – Tyson Chandler, C (New York)

    …That’s just odd.

  113. Raul Says:

    …and still, nobody here cares about the nba

  114. Chuck Says:


  115. Chuck Says:


  116. Raul Says:

    Ah, I read the Sean Doolittle one earlier while in a meeting.
    Gotta check out the catcher rankings.

  117. Raul Says:

    Albert Pujols went 3-4 today with 2 RBI.

    It’s only his 2nd 3-hit game of the year

  118. Chuck Says:

    So, on one of Mike Silva’s radio shows a few months back, I made the point the ONLY reason the Mets agreed to move the fences in was a cave-in to Selig in return for the 2014 All-Star game.

    It had NOTHING at all to do with David Wright or Jason Bay’s power numbers.

    I’m here to admit I was wrong.

    The Mets got NEXT year’s All-Star game.


  119. Cameron Says:

    @113 I know, it was just an oddity I noticed. A rather unique one as well, since no other major sports have enough awards to produce a combination of a full starting lineup. Little things like that just interest me.

  120. Cameron Says:

    Nice list on the catchers, Chuck. I remember getting my first real look at Mesoraco at last year’s Futures Game. Dude has excellent bat control. Same with Jose Altuve in Houston. These guys can just move the bat around any way they need to to get a hit out.

  121. Chuck Says:

    Thanks, Cam.

    You know what’s funny?

    I wanted so bad to leave Montero out of the top ten, but couldn’t justify doing so.

    After Mesoraco and Grandal and a couple of the younger guys, the catching depth sucks ass.

  122. Cameron Says:

    I’d have left him out. Has Montero caught a single game since leaving New York?

  123. Cameron Says:

    Actually Chuck, the only real thing I’d have argued on your list is Swihart over Rosario. I’m a big Rosario fan. Swihart may have a comparable bat, but Rosario’s got a hell of an arm back there.

  124. Chuck Says:


  125. Chuck Says:

    It’s more of a long term thing Cam, that’s why guys like Gary Sanchez are so low.

  126. John Says:

    David Wright is hitting a cool .398. I thought his career was over in 2010?

  127. Chuck Says:

    Yeah, he’s caught a few that I know of

  128. Cameron Says:

    @125 Ah, fair enough. I still like Rosario better, but I see where you’re getting at.

    @126 I think he still made decent enough contact after the Matt Cain incident, but glad to see Wright playing like Wright again. I like him.

  129. Chuck Says:

    Brett Lawrie got called out on strikes and threw his helmet down, bounced up and hit the umpire.

    Enjoy your vacation, asshole.

  130. Cameron Says:

    The reaction we all thought Bryce Harper would have on his first strikeout.

  131. Chuck Says:



  132. Patrick Says:

    I dropped by to see how my old buddies were doing but I must have slipped into an alternate universe. Chuck is using WAR? Maybe Shaun has an article on why the RBI is underrated? :-)

  133. Patrick Says:

    Wow, my comment isn’t “awaiting moderation”!! Hi boys!

  134. Chuck Says:


    Notice the caveat on the WAR reference, didn’t want anyone to think I’d been kidnapped by aliens and came back brainwashed.

    Glad to see your neighborhood has finally joined the internet revolution. :)

  135. Brautigan Says:

    I have to admit, those were two terrible strike calls on Lawrie.

    Terrible response by Lawrie.

  136. Chuck Says:

    Braut..email me your schedule, or even post it here..I’ll put a list together for you..I know you’re always scrounging around, looking for that evasive autograph.

  137. Chuck Says:


    Strike two was a strike, the last one clearly was not.

    Lawrie’s a bit of a hot-head, but even that was out of control.

    And from someone who played and coached…there is no excuse…ever..for throwing equipment.

    I used to say that to my teams before we even started practicing.

    There are three things I won’t tolerate.

    1) You respect the game, always, your teammates, always, and your opponents, always.

    It was a universal warning and any violation would be dealt with immediately and finally.

    I cut a kid once right in the middle of a run-down drill because he went overboard on trying to knock the ball out of the second baseman’s glove.

    See ya.

  138. Brautigan Says:


    I’ll be leaving Saturday morning for Reno. We will see 3 games in Reno (2 with Oklahoma City and 1 with New Orleans). Then we’ll drive down to Stockton to watch San Jose play and then to Modesto to watch Lake Elsinore play.

    Usually we go down to the Cal league for a week, but we have to cut this trip short. We were going to see Fresno and Colorado Springs, along with a trip down to Lancaster and High Desert, but we’ll have to do that another time.

  139. Patrick Says:

    I’ve tried writing on DC as recent as Spring Training but it wouldn’t go through. Chuck, congrats on your website, MLB Prospect Pulse. Very cool. I learned something about the next crop of catchers today!

    I love Baseball Reference but they have to do something about WAR. Brett Lawrie has a higher WAR than the entire Detroit Tigers AND Chicago Whitesox teams combined! Further proof, The AL East WAR standings;

    Boston 8.0
    Tampa 8.0
    Toronto 5.9
    Baltimore 5.4
    Yankees 4.8

    Lawrie is having the third best season in the AL thanks to a whopping 9 Total Zone Runs! Despite leading all AL 3B with 6 errors, he is awarded 2.0 dWAR for his unprecedented barrage of TZR’s. His oWAR is at a pedestrian 0.6 but combined with his dWAR, his 2.6 WAR is behind only Josh Hamilton and Jake Peavy. The 9 TZR are worth more than 4 entire teams offense and defensive total contributions, Detroit, Chicago, Minny and Oak.

    Lawrie has played 79 career games at 3B and his 19 TZR are already 61st on the alltime TZR list! Jackie Robinson played 10 stellar years at 3B and had only 22 career TZR.

    Brooks Robinson is easily the alltime leader in TZR-3B, averaging a little over 12 a season over 23 years. Lawrie on pace for 38+ per year. dWAR has Lawrie as 3 times better than Brooks, who is almost twice as good as the next guy, Buddy Bell.

    Lawrie also has surpassed Brooks in another category “tirades that make you look like an asshole”, 1-0.

  140. Brautigan Says:

    Well, from the video I was watching, the second strike was outside. I mean, it was a ball, but that pitch often is called a strike. I think something must have been said because Lawrie was upset one minute, and then bezerko the next.

    I bounced a batting helmet off the ground about 12 feet once. It was a crucial playoff game and I never struck out. First inning on the road and the catcher had told me the umpire was not a good one, and sure enough, the pitcher got two strikes on me. Strike three was about 6 inches outside, I couldn’t have hit that pitch with a rake, and “strike three” was called. I dropped my bat on home plate turned around and walked two steps and launched my helmet. I was really surprised I didn’t get tossed myself, but I think the umpire blew that call so bad he wasn’t going to say anything. Sure enough, I got two more hits later, so I did exact revenge. One was a double off the CF wall (405 feet), so I did get a measure of revenge in (and we won, 6-1).

    Never did that again though, that was really overboard. My uncle, who was listening to the game on the radio said the announcer just raked my ass over the coals, and so yeah, I felt a little bad about it.

  141. Raul Says:

    Wow @ Brett Lawrie.

    It’s not quite Delmon Young, but that was intense.

  142. Raul Says:

    Boston has won 5 in a row and sits at 17-19 on the year.

    With their next 3 series being against Tampa, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Tampa again, they could inch themselves into the thick of the AL East division.

  143. Raul Says:

    *four series

  144. Cameron Says:

    @135 I think Bobby Cox threw equipment from time to time. Knowing the logic behind a majority of his ejections (let the umpire get mad at me and not my players), I can say there’s a reason behind that one.

    But from a player? Oh hell no.

  145. Raul Says:

    Toronto was down 3-2 in the 9th.

    That at-bat could have made the difference in the game.

  146. Chuck Says:

    Patrick busts my chops for using WAR, and he’s using TZR?

    I thought it was TMZ?

  147. Raul Says:


  148. Chuck Says:

    This is what happens when the wind is blowing out in the Cal League;


  149. Brautigan Says:

    Note the High Desert pitchers ERA’s? Ouch. Lancaster is worse than Victorville, the wind is always blowing there. Or as a scout said, “the wind is always SUCKING here”.

  150. Chuck Says:

    Youkilis playing a rehab in Pawtucket next couple of days. Hopefully he doesn’t pull a Manny and buy Pizza Hut for the postgame spread.

    Minor league guys live on pizza and wings and a major leaguer making $25 million comes in and for three days straight drops $400 on pizza.


  151. Raul Says:


    Here’s the thing, Chuck…

    It depends where you are. Chances are there are few foie gras and caviar joints in the Greater Batavia, New York area.

  152. Chuck Says:

    Brett Lawrie got four games.

    And he’s appealing.

  153. Chuck Says:

    I’m pretty sure Manny doesn’t know what fois gras or caviar is either.

  154. Raul Says:

    Everyone appeals.

    Maybe they’ll shave it to 3 games. Considering Cole Hamels’ situation, maybe 4 games is harsh.

    Or maybe Cole Hamels just needed to be suspended for more time.

  155. Cameron Says:

    @150 He won’t. Two things.

    1) I’ve seen Youk have a guest spot on food shows before. He’s a burger and fries kind of guy. Not fast food, mind you, good restaurant quality.

    2) Him buying food for the postgame spread would require him to spend for other people, and that goes against him being a total prick.

  156. Raul Says:

    Maybe he’ll throw a vending machine out there like in that Moneyball movie.


  157. Cameron Says:

    If a teammate installed a vending machine in the clubhouse for guys, that’d actually be pretty cool if you ask me.

  158. Raul Says:

    You realize you have to pay for the items inside vending machines, right Cam?

  159. Cameron Says:

    …Youk makes how much?

  160. Raul Says:

    You dingleberry.

    If Youkilis installed a vending machine in a minor league clubhouse, that means that minor leaguers would have to shell out a buck twenty five every time they wanted a pepsi.

  161. Cameron Says:

    Hm… There’s gotta be a way around that. If arcade machines have free play, there’s gotta be a way around having to pay for a vending machine.

  162. Chuck Says:

    Every clubhouse I’ve been in has had vending machines, and usually more than one.

    They are usually for the player’s kids and stuff, or the media when they come in.

    Kangaroo court fines usually cover the expense, but I know the Rangers operate theirs on a keycard system, sort of like a hotel key.

    If Josh Hamilton’s kids want a Gatorade and some oreos, they swipe the card and it registers to his account, all the kids do is hit the number of what they want.

    The private areas of the clubhouse, like the trainers room, also have vending machines which are filled with more adult oriented beverages.

  163. Chuck Says:

    When Derek Jeter was in Trenton for his rehab, he told the clubhouse guy to spare no expense on the postgame spread..one night there was BBQ, another was PF Changs, the last day he was there was a day game and he invited the other team and they had a catered deal right on the field, players, family, kids, everyone.

    ARod actually had Delmonico’s Steak House in Manhattan cater for them one night when he was there…surf and turf in the Clubhouse in Trenton. The only other time there was fresh meat in the Trenton locker room is when the clubbie emptied the rat traps.

    I’ve heard Josh Hamilton closed a restaurant for the postgame, it was a BBQ buffet place and he picked up the tab from both teams.

    Michael Young did the same thing.

    If you’re an established major leaguer making big money, and you go back and all you do is buy Pizza Hut or some fast food burger shit, you’re an asshole.

  164. Raul Says:

    Gotta pay it forward, I suppose.

  165. Chuck Says:

    Most of the AAA guys do OK, some have collected major league checks, they’re not rich by any means but they can afford to pick up the rookie tab in spring training for a grand or so without much issue.

    But for the lower guys, who make less than a grand a month, all these guys eat is chicken fingers and fries, unless their fortunate enough to stay with a host family. But even then they only eat good during home stands.

    So, when guy like Andy Pettitte comes in for a couple of weeks rehab, that pretty much makes their season. He can easily afford a seven thousand dollar catering tab, and it likely will be the two or three best meals the rest of the team gets all year.

  166. John Says:

    Patrick! Good to see ya. I’ve tried scouring the message boards for your deleted posts, but we get an ungodly amount of spam. Glad you made it through!

  167. Raul Says:

    Edwin Encarnacion hit is 13th home run of the year.

  168. John Says:

    Or, 12 more than Albert Pujols.

  169. Raul Says:

    Hiroki Kuroda must’ve left his game in the United States.

    Toronto bombed him for 7 runs in 5 innings.

  170. Raul Says:

    Anyone think Encarnacion will end the season with more homers than Pujols?

    I think it’s possible.

  171. Chuck Says:



  172. Chuck Says:

    I got bombed pretty good in Montreal once, but never Toronto.

    Matter of fact, I’ve never been to Toronto.

  173. Chuck Says:

    PPG, Rangers, tie game.

  174. Raul Says:

    Montreal’s strip clubs are legendary.

  175. Chuck Says:

    Kevin Towers cancelled a scouting trip to go on the Dbacks road trip to Colorado and Kansas City.

    Usually, that’s a bad sign.

    Rumors are he went personally to inform Paul Goldschmidt he was being sent down.

    I guess his fifteen minutes are up

  176. Raul Says:

    Goldschmidt is in the game today. I wonder if he’ll be pulled.

  177. Chuck Says:

    Didn’t go to a strip club.

    At least I don’t remember going to a strip club.

    I do remember walking across the street from the Forum after the Rangers beat Montreal in a playoff game and making the mistake of telling people we worked for the Rangers.

    So we went to another place down the street and didn’t say anything other than “bartender, refill”.

  178. Chuck Says:

    Tower’s took a later flight, probably won’t do anything until tomorrow.

    I heard on the radio the plan is is to activate Chris Young from his rehab first, then make the roster move.

  179. Raul Says:

    So who’s going to play 1B?

  180. Chuck Says:

    Youkilis the DH for Pawtucket, had three AB’s then left the game in the sixth.

    Must be avoiding the food bill.

  181. Chuck Says:

    Lyle Overbay

  182. Chuck Says:

    Rangers are missing some chances, hope it doesnt’ come back to bite them later.

  183. Raul Says:

    They’re about to go on a power play. Better step it up.

  184. Raul Says:

    Adam LaRoche must be thinking it’s the 2nd half of the season, because he’s never batted this well in the 1st half.

  185. Raul Says:


  186. Raul Says:

    Wondering at what point the Mariners put Felix Hernandez on the DL.
    Because he’s pitching poorly and something figures to be up.

  187. Chuck Says:

    What does a New Yorker do after he takes a shit?

    He flushes New Jersey.

    Although I have to admit, Nassau Coliseum was, by far, the worst arena I’ve ever been to in my life.

    It was a fucking dump.

  188. Raul Says:

    NJ Goal

  189. John Says:

    Yu Darvish will most likely be 6-1 after tonight.

  190. Chuck Says:

    He’s 6-5, dude.

  191. Chuck Says:

    I’m not so worried about the Rangers if they lose tonight, playing in Jersey is almost like a home game.

    The Coyotes are screwed.

  192. Raul Says:

    John meant Darvish’s win/loss record.

  193. Chuck Says:

    Thanks, Raul..really on top of your game tonight…:)

  194. Chuck Says:

    Shit..turned on MLBNetwork between periods and Jersey scored?

  195. Chuck Says:

    Remember those ugly ass orginal Devils “Christmas” uniforms.

    The red shirt/green pant combo was particularly hideous.


  196. Chuck Says:

    That was a great kill..puck in the zone for over a minute and Devils got off one shot.

  197. Raul Says:

    I don’t remember those uniforms but they are awful.

  198. Raul Says:

    I never would have thought that midway into the month of May, Mike Moustakas would be outplaying Eric Hosmer…severely.

  199. Raul Says:

    Somehow Will Middlebrooks was available in my league.

    I have Aramis Ramirez and he’s stinking. Even if Middlebrooks goes back down at some point, I’ll give him a shot over Ramirez right now.

    Dropped Ryan Roberts from my bench to get him.

  200. Raul Says:

    Pujols hit a 3-run homer to CF

  201. Raul Says:

    Bottom of the 14th in KC.

    3-3 game.

  202. Raul Says:

    Adam Jones with a HR.
    Baltimore 4
    Kansas City 3

  203. Raul Says:

    Bottom of the 15th coming.
    Dyson/Hosmer/Giavotella due up.

    If Dyson can get on…

  204. Cameron Says:

    @198 You think that’s weird, look at Big Z’s ERA in Miami.

  205. Raul Says:

    Yep. Saw that.
    But it’s not a huge surprise, because Zambrano has shown the ability to dominate in the past.

  206. Cameron Says:

    Another statistical anomaly from Miami, the league leader in SB is there… And it’s Emilio Bonifacio with 20, 8 more than the 2nd place.

  207. Raul Says:

    Hosmer’s bat exploded.

  208. Raul Says:

    Giavotella with a base knock.

    Wow, you can tell Hosmer is pressing just from the look on his face in the dugout.

  209. Raul Says:

    Ouch. Alex Gordon swung at a pitch, and foul tipped it off the ground and off his junk

  210. Raul Says:


    Tell me you guys saw that guy humping the air during Gordon’s at bat

  211. Chuck Says:

    Hosmer 0-7, now hitting .174…vacation in Omaha in his future?

  212. Cameron Says:

    …Wouldn’t be the first time we’ve sent a guy down in a slump. No one in KC is un-demoteable. Ask Alex Gordon.

  213. Chuck Says:

    I’d hate to see Hosmer go down, I believe in letting guys work things out, but there comes a time where you have to put a guy in a different situation just to clear his head.

    Besides, then maybe my man Clint Robinson will finally get a chance. His numbers, again, are sick.

  214. Cameron Says:

    I like Robinson too, but bringing him up creates a huge logjam. Butler’s got his .300 average and his 20 home run power and can’t field for fuck, so he’s DH for life in KC. Hosmer outplays Robinson easily, so he can’t break first. You really want Robinson trying to fight for at-bats or are you gonna try and send him somewhere to someone who needs him and get say, a starter who isn’t absolute dogshit?

    And I say if the club sees fit to demote him to Omaha to clear his head, go for it. Again, ask Alex Gordon if it works.

  215. Chuck Says:

    The situation with Gordon is much more complex than with Hosmer.

    I’d love to see Robinson traded, the guy can rake, his defense isn’t nearly as bad as some people think.

    I’d love to see him in Yankee Stadium.

  216. Cameron Says:

    It’d be nice, but I think Philly might be a good target first. Good amount of pitching prospects down there to look at and they could use a good backup to Howard down there.

  217. Chuck Says:

    There’s no reason why Robinson can’t be getting four AB’s everyday as a DH somewhere.

    He could play first once a week or so to give someone a rest.

    I think the Royals are hanging onto him because they think they’re going to lose Butler.

  218. Cameron Says:

    Lose Butler to what? He’s on a long-term extension and has no injury history as to raise a red flag. I understand an insurance policy, but not to this degree. Butler doesn’t slump, doesn’t get hurt, and isn’t going anywhere. Why be paranoid?

  219. Chuck Says:

    He doesn’t have a no trade and he’s cheap..you don’t think they’d try and flip him for pitching?

  220. Cameron Says:

    He doesn’t have a no-trade, but as you said, he’s cheap. We’re paying 7-8 million a year for .300 hitting and 20 home runs. That ain’t getting moved. It’s hard to find a guy who’s a lock for that kind of production. There’s other pieces to get moved. Like our metric fuckton of center field prospects.

  221. Raul Says:

    Clint Robinson is 27.
    It’s a disgrace that he’s in the minors with the production he’s put up.

    I find it hard to believe other teams have not inquired about him. KC must be holding on to him for a reason — though I never said it was a good reason.

    Considering how crappy Mark Teixeira is playing, Robinson would be a perfect bat to give Tex an off day. And he probably is a better option than Raul Ibanez…though to be fair, Ibanez has played well in the early going.

  222. Raul Says:

    Happy 55th birthday, Pascual Perez. Perez was an eccentric pitcher with the Atlanta Braves and Montreal Expos in the 1980s. He was known to sprint off the mound after innings, pound baseballs into the mound dirt, and point his finger at batters he retired, simulating a pistol. His nickname, I-285, came after he missed a start circling Interstate 285 looking for Fulton County Stadium. Perez had a drug problem back in those days and it would ultimately cost him his career. I met Pascual Perez in the Dominican Republic back around 2003. Nice man. Very ugly.

    Happy 34th birthday, Carlos Pena. Pena is a career .239 hitter in the Major Leagues over 12 seasons, but to his credit he does have an .836 OPS. And I suppose there’s good value there; that career OPS puts him in Kirby Puckett/Eddie Murray territory. (Though to be fair, Murray did so over 21 years)

  223. Chuck Says:

    Trevor Bauer to AAA..makes first start tomorrow.

    Braut’s vacation starts Saturday..bummer.

  224. Raul Says:

    After hitting just .237/.375/.322 in April, John’s man-crush Shin-Soo Choo is off to a more “Choo-ish” month, batting .286/.385/.464 in May. He’s currently 1-3 in a game the Indians trail 4-0 to the Mariners.

    Out in Detroit, the Twins lead the Tigers 3-0 on the strength of two home runs courtesy of Justin Morneau and Trevor Plouffe. Kudos to Detroit’s Andy Dirks, who in 70 fewer plate appearances, seems to be out-performing Prince Fielder thus far.

  225. Raul Says:

    Any shot Bauer sees ML time this year? And how much? I got Mike Minor on the bench and might drop him if Bauer’s promotion is imminent

  226. Chuck Says:

    I figured out why Felix had such a crappy outing yesterday.

    See who his catcher was?



    He’ll be in the majors before the All-Star break.

  227. Raul Says:

    Montero caught last night?

    Was that his 1st night catching this year? BTW, I wonder if Montero gets the pitch signs from the dugout when he catches…a la high school.


  228. Chuck Says:

    Montero has started 15 games at catcher.

  229. Bob Says:

    Chuck, going to get some cheddar cheese, doritos and flour tonight. I have the other ingredients. Using lobster tonight, but if I like it, I might use Alaskan king crab next time. Bacon and sausage sound tasty as well. Do not each much ham.

  230. Chuck Says:

    Good luck Bob

  231. Bob Says:


  232. Chuck Says:

    Eric Hosmer sitting today against Brian Matusz, Billy Butler playing first base.

  233. Raul Says:

    Well, the Indians tied the game at 4 with Seattle, courtesy of a 3-run homer by shortstop Jose Lopez. They’re in extra innings.

    Minnesota still leads 4-3, but Prince Fielder must’ve gotten my message. After Andy Dirks homered in the 6th, Fielder followed with a homer of his own.

    David Wright is 1-1 with 2 walks thusfar, to raise his batting average to .407. Reds lead the Mets though, 4-3 in the 7th.

    Mitch Moreland is making up for Josh Hamilton’s absence today, with a 2-run shot in the 4th. Oakland still leads 3-2. McCarthy & Harrison on the mound.

    After hitting the game-winning home run in the 15th inning of last night’s game, Adam Jones hit another in the 4th inning today. It’s Jones’ 13th of the year. He had 25 last year. But for now, KC leads 3-2 in the 6th.

  234. Raul Says:

    Question of the day:

    Will David Wright finish the month still batting .400?

  235. Chuck Says:

    Three games at Toronto and Pittsburgh followed by three at home against San Diego and Philly.

    I will say yes.

  236. Bob Says:

    1. The Padres claimed Eric Stults.
    2. The Yankees Matt Antonelli.
    3. The Padres released Orlando Hudson.
    4. Off to cook.

  237. Raul Says:

    Accidentally thought about Eric Stoltz when I read that.

  238. Chuck Says:

    Matt Antonelli? Yankees having problems in Trenton again?

  239. Cameron Says:

    Orlando released? Ouch, hate to see a guy fall like that, he used to be pretty good.

    @225 He was my pick for NL Rookie of the Year. What do you think?

  240. Brautigan Says:

    Let’s see how Bauer handles the launching pad known as the Pacific Coast League.

  241. Raul Says:

    Oakland Athletics outfielder and former Boston Red Sox Josh Reddick hit his 10th homer of the season. He’s batting .283/.337/.546.

    To be fair, the Red Sox had gotten pretty solid production out of Ryan Sweeney in the early going.

    Each player was moved in the offseason in a trade where the big catch figured to be Athletics Closer Andrew Bailey, but Bailey went on the disabled list after surgery was required on his thumb.

    The other players sent to Oakland with Reddick were low-level prospects Raul Alcantara and Miles Head.

    Alcantara is a 19 year old pitcher in A-Ball, currently with 32.2 IP, 40 Hits and 17 strikeouts.

    Head is a 21 year old corner infielder (Boston used him at 1B, Oakland at 3B) who’s hitting .348/.396/.638 with 8 homers and 3 triples in 36 games at High A-Ball in Stockton.

  242. Chuck Says:

    I like Reddick, the guy the Red Sox had before him I thought was big-time overrated..what was his name?

  243. Raul Says:

    Phil Hughes has 64 pitches through 3 innings even though he’s only given up 3 hits. I’m telling you, this kid is going nowhere. He needs a change of scenery, badly.

  244. Cameron Says:

    Ryan Kalish, Chuck?

  245. Raul Says:

    JD Drew? lol

  246. Raul Says:

    So in my league, I’ve got Mike Aviles as my 2B. And he’s been relatively productive. He’s ranked 10th statistically.

    The question is, whether some of the other guys figure to be better long-term options (for this season, anyway):

    Darwin Barney
    Dustin Ackley
    Jemile Weeks (the guy I dropped to get Aviles a month or so ago)
    Freddy Galvis
    Mark Ellis

  247. Chuck Says:

    Kalish, that’s it, thanks Cam.

    LOL Raul..

  248. Cameron Says:

    I’d debate Ackley, but I say hold onto Mikey for now.

  249. Chuck Says:

    I’m not so sure I’d take Ackley out of that group. I really like Darwin Barney, and their home parks play a difference.

    Mark Ellis was a good player, but I wouldn’t take him now, Galvis is a utility guy babysitting a position, and Jemille is pretty good too, but he’s not Rickie.

  250. Raul Says:


  251. Chuck Says:

    If the question was to dump Aviles for one of the others or keep him, then I’m with Cameron..keep him.

  252. Chuck Says:

    When you got to go, you got to go.

  253. Bob Says:

    So, the Orioles took a shit in Boston?

    Also, guys, try Chuck’s recipe. Delicious with crushed-up doritos on a pasta, and meat dish.

  254. Chuck Says:

    Thanks, Bob, glad it worked out.

    Happy Birthday to two Hall of Famers, Reggie Jackson and Brooks Robinson.

    And, remember, if you want to rip on Tim McCarver, from now on his name has to be preceeded by the words “Hall of Famer”.

  255. Cameron Says:

    I’d try it, but our gas is about to get shut off. Ergo, no stove.

  256. Chuck Says:

    When do you start work?

  257. Chuck Says:

    Has anyone else heard about Kerry Wood retiring?

  258. Chuck Says:

    Wow..great start by Noel Arguelles last night..seven innings with no walks.

    73 pitches, 50 strikes.

    He lives!!


  259. Bob Says:

    @ 257. Yes. Just now.

  260. Cameron Says:

    @256 The recent bit of rain has delayed work on the parking lots for the new stores. Until the parking lot is finished, no one’s getting called in to start work.

    …So I have no fucking clue.

  261. Cameron Says:


    I see 6 innings, one run, and seven hits. The no walks is nice, but seven hits on Double-A hitting results in a VERY hittable major league pitcher if this is a line I see out of him frequently. …And knowing Arguelles, it probably will be. Lots of heat, lots of strikes… Lots of hits.

  262. Chuck Says:

    Cam, some day remind me to teach you how to read a boxscore.

  263. Raul Says:

    Arguelles went 6 innings on 73 pitches. That he scattered 7 hits means to me that he was able to get out of innings with double-plays. I think it’s a good start. If you really wanted to pick on a number from that stat line, it’s the lone strikeout. But I wouldn’t be too concerned with it. The zero walks is the better number.

  264. Raul Says:

    LOL @ me noticing Eric Duncan and Jorge De La Rosa in that box score, though.

    Christian Colon is batting .310. That’s good.

  265. Bob Says:

    6 groundouts, 8 airouts. I noticed Duncan and Colon as well. As far as Hughes needing a change of scenery, I was wondering if the Royals would swap a SS in their system other than Colon for him.

    I also wondered if a Lars Anderson for Hughes deal made sense, although we all know that deal will never happen. But Lars is buried behind Gonzalez. Just a few thoughts of mine before I get wasted tonight.
    And if you guys reject my thoughts, well it’s Friday and I had my weekly 3-martini lunch, which of course comes on the heels of my 4 mimosa breakfast

  266. Raul Says:

    From a scenery perspective, Kansas City might do Hughes a lot of good (though he is a Southern California boy). He would be able to pitch without much scrutiny and the midwestern lifestyle might mesh well with his SoCal easy attitude.

    Colon actually would be a nice fit to trade. Yeah, he’s a solid prospect but is he really going to knock Alcides Escobar out of his position? KC might have two guys who realistically have no shot at the ML roster in Colon and Clint Robinson.

    But as erratic as Hughes has been for the Yankees, can Cashman convince Dayton Moore that there’s high upside to him? I think Moore would try to squeeze Cashman into giving up at least 2 more prospects. And there’s also the issue that suddenly, NY is vulnerable in terms of pitching depth. Trading Hughes probably isn’t an option right now.

    And as long as Jeter continues to hit well, there won’t be much pressure to find his replacement. It’s a mistake I believe will hurt NY in the future, because the FA market will be brutal.

    As stated multiple times, NY already has long-term contracts with Teixeira and Rodriguez, and Cano figures to follow suit. If they’re planning on going the Free Agent route for their next SS (Elvis Andrus?), their flexibility will be severely restricted — in terms of their roster and finances.

  267. Raul Says:

    I should note that Colon isn’t exactly a power bat, so for him to be effective at the ML level, he’ll need to hit for a decent average, and provide above-average defense.

  268. Bob Says:

    Umpire Bob Davidson has been suspended 1 game for poor “situation handling.”

  269. Raul Says:

    At 34, it seems Kerry Wood will retire.

    Well, he’ll always have that magical 20 strikeout game. Happy Trails, Kerry.

  270. Bob Says:

    @ 269. Yes he will.

  271. Raul Says:

    Kerry Wood


    166.2 innings
    117 hits
    3.40 ERA

    Of note: In that 20-strikeout game on May 6, 1998, Wood threw 122 pitches.

    It wasn’t even his season high. That came a few months later when he threw 133 in 8 innings against Cincinnati.

    Personally, if you ask me…there’s nothing about Kerry’s pitch counts in 1998 that led me to believe he was over-used.

  272. Chuck Says:

    I like Colon..he played 2B in the AFL and in ST…I’ll take him.

  273. Raul Says:

    Jim Bowden says the that for the Oakland Athletics to rebuild their franchise, Billy Beane needs to let the team hit rock bottom.

    Seems to me the Athletics are doing fine this season. They’re 20-19 and in 2nd place in the AL West. A .500 season isn’t out of the question if the Angels continue to struggle.

    Out in AAA:

    Chris Carter is hitting .283/.358/.474 with 6 homers and 30 RBI.
    Grant Green is hitting .303/.340/.472 with 4 homers and 4 triples in 35 games.
    Michael Taylor is hitting .330/.414/.514 with 14 doubles.

    Jarrod Parker is off to a good start with the Major League roster as well.

    For now it seems Billy Beane is in fine shape, all things considered, and the blocked move to San Jose notwithstanding.

  274. Chuck Says:

    Kerry Wood had the worst arm mechanics I think I’ve ever seen.

    Innings and pitch counts had nothing to do with his injury..it was inevitable.

  275. Chuck Says:

    Rock bottom means Carter, Green and Taylor being in AAA, and Reddick, Cespedes and Crisp in Oakland.

    OH, almost forgot Manny.

  276. Raul Says:

    I don’t know why Coco Crisp is on the team either.

  277. Chuck Says:

    John and Shaun’s love child, Derek Barton, is still in Oakland.

  278. Raul Says:

    So Bowden’s argument is that by the Athletics being relatively competitive over the years, they missed out on good draft picks.

    So here’s his logic.

    In 2005, they drafted Cliff Pennington 15th overall. Apparently they could have had Justin Upton, Troy Tulowitzki, Ryan Braun, Andrew McCutchen, Ricky Romero, Jay Bruce.

    In 2006, they had no pick because they signed FA Esteban Loaiza. The logic says they could have drafted Evan Longoria, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum.

    He does this for every draft through 2011.

    This is the article (if his previous ones weren’t enough evidence) where the editor of ESPN.com should have reported to his boss, and effectively handed Jim Bowden his walking papers.

  279. John Says:

    “Personally, if you ask me…there’s nothing about Kerry’s pitch counts in 1998 that led me to believe he was over-used.”

    What were Wood’s pitch counts like in 1999, out of curiosity?

  280. Raul Says:

    Look em up yourself.

  281. Chuck Says:

    Starting this year, teams get penalized for over-spending, while also being penalized for not signing picks.

    You better damn well be sure if you pick a guy, that he’s signable AND projectable.

  282. Bob Says:

    Paul Konerko was replaced after being hit in the head.

  283. Raul Says:

    Cubs screwed me out of a Jeff Semardzija win. They just didn’t score enough runs.

    No hockey tonight but it’s alright. The Rangers really need this off day to rest.

    The Cincinnati Reds make a trip to the Bronx tonight. Bronson Arroyo vs Andy Pettitte.

    The aforementioned Jarrod Parker takes on the San Francisco Giants and Barry Zito. Hopefully for the Athletics, Parker can someday be as good for Oakland as Zito was.

  284. Raul Says:

    Albert Pujols has homered on consecutive nights and seems to be breaking out.

    But has his career peaked?

    2008 OPS: 1.114
    2009 OPS: 1.101
    2010 OPS: 1.011
    2011 OPS: .906
    2012 OPS: .573

    Albert is 32.

  285. Chuck Says:

    Pujols may have more homers than Encarnacion by the All Star break.

    “But has his career peaked?”

    A resounding yes.

  286. Chuck Says:

    So, wait…Kerry Wood actually pitched today, THEN retired?

    That’s weird.

  287. John Says:

    Well, Pujols is over the hill, but that’s a pretty damn high hill.

  288. John Says:


  289. Chuck Says:

    I just watched part of his press conference on MLB.com

    I missed the details, so I’ll have to watch later/

  290. Raul Says:

    Very nice of those Cubs fans.

    Everyone thinks their fans are the best fans in sports but I’d argue Cubs fans are among the top.

  291. Chuck Says:

    Are you guys interested in the MLB draft?

    I was thinking about doing something next week on my site if anyone cared, maybe highlighting ten or fifteen players with video.

    You guys down with that?

  292. Brautigan Says:

    I’m not down with the Cubs ownership.

    Chuck: That would be VERY good. I mean, I do hear about who the top few draftees will be, but after that, I don’t know much about who might be picked, so I for one would watch video.

  293. Cameron Says:

    @266 I don’t know how native Cali folk do in the midwest, but I have plenty of family on the west coast (aunt in Oakland, cousins in San Fran, big bunch of family in Oregon, and mom lived in San Fran for years), and midwest and the west coast? Very easy transition. …Well, soon as the shell shock from the fucking property rates wears off. A year’s worth of rent in a good Bay Area apartment can be a yearly house payment in KC.

    @291 I’d love it. The only name I know in this class is Mark Appell, I could stand some education.

  294. Raul Says:

    Justin Verlander has a No-Hitter going through 5 innings.
    Pittsburgh about to bat in the Top of the 6th.

  295. Raul Says:

    No Hitter through 6 innings.

  296. Raul Says:

    Through 7

  297. Raul Says:

    And Verlander strikes out the side in the 8th.
    No Hitter in tact.

    12 strikeouts on the game.

  298. Raul Says:


  299. Raul Says:

    Also, Andy Pettitte with a dominating 8 inning, 4 hit, 9 strikeout performance against the Reds.

  300. Cameron Says:

    Broken up by Harrison after a couple truly humiliating whiffs.

  301. Raul Says:

    Josh Harrison, the DH for the Pirates breaks up the No Hitter with a 2-strike single up the middle.

    Verlander got within 2 outs of it.

  302. Raul Says:

    Verlander preserves the shutout.
    Tigers win 6-0

  303. Chuck Says:

    So, for the first 40 games of the season, the Reds think they’re the king shit of the NL, then they go get embarrassed by a 40 year old who hasn’t pitched in a year and a half.

    Reality check. Bitch slap to reality.

    The Reds couldn’t finish .500 in any AL division.

  304. Chuck Says:

    Stat of the day..maybe the year..said on the Dbacks broadcast against KC.

    Out of Alex Gordon’s 20 assists last year, 10 were at home.

    If that doesn’t blow your mind out your ass, you’re watching the wrong sport.

  305. Cameron Says:

    The fact that a left fielder had 20 assists alone is baffling enough. 10 of those being at the plate? Fucking hell.

  306. Chuck Says:

    In ML history, a LF has had 20 assists in a season 26 times.

    Among the players to pull it off..Tim Raines, Alfonso Soriano and Jim Rice.

    Ken Williams, Carson Bigbee and someone named Bib Falk did it twice.

    My man Warren Cromartie did it, too.

  307. Chuck Says:

    Rice is 8th all time in career assists by a LF.

    Not bad for a DH.

  308. John Says:

    I’m sure if Joey Votto were in the AL East, he’d hit .265/.322/.390 with 11 home runs.

  309. Cameron Says:

    @307 How much do you think Fenway Park helped him out? If I recall, it’s shorter to the left field foul pole in Fenway than to right in Yankees Stadium.

  310. Raul Says:

    I wasn’t aware Joey Votto could single-handedly win 95 games.

  311. Raul Says:

    Manny Banuelos went just 4 innings today, throwing 94 pitches.
    Walked 3.
    Allowed 4 hits and 5 runs.

    ERA up to 4.50.

  312. John Says:

    The Reds weren’t a .500 team last year, nor are they going to be much more than a 80-85 win team this year.

    Regardless, drawing sweeping conclusions from a sample of one games is, always has been, and always will be, silly.

  313. Raul Says:

    So you’re saying they’re an 80-85 win team in the NL.

    Not exactly a stretch when Chuck says they’d be under .500 in the AL.

  314. Chuck Says:

    LF in Fenway is longer than RF in Yankee Stadium.

  315. Raul Says:

    Those white and brown Padres uniforms are ugly.

  316. Chuck Says:

    LOL..I must be old, because I think they’re pretty sweet.

    Then again, I never had to wear them.

  317. Raul Says:

    Lance Berkman with a pinch-hit home run in the 9th, with 2 outs, to tie the game at 5.

    Bit of shock in Los Angeles.

  318. Len Says:

    There are 64 pitchers listed in the HOF not 68. Monte Ward and Ruth are listed as batters, Cummings as an innovator and Spalding as an executive I guess. Paige is listed as a pitcher but he only had about 7 career war. There are 4 HOF pitchers with less career BRwar than Catfish Hunter, Rube Marquard, Bruce Sutter, and Rollie Fingers.

    An average doesn’t seem like the best way to look at this and a 64 career WAR is way too high, that would leave guys like Palmer, Marichal, Feller out. You’re also only looking at career value and not peak so Koufax & Ford are out as well.

    Also averaging numbers tends to skew numbers somewhat. You’d be better off with using the Medium.

    In this case the Medium HOF pitcher using BRWAR is somewhere between Ed Walsh @59.9 and Mickey Welsh @59.5

    Which would give you above 59.7 BRWAR:

    R. Johnson
    McCormick*19th century
    B. Mathews*19th century
    R. Reuschel
    K. Brown
    R. Halladay
    J. Smoltz
    L. Tiant.
    T. Bond*19 century

    I’m not that well versed on 19th century pitchers and there numbers are greatly skewed because of the style of baseball they played.

    David Cone has a 58.2 career war but should get Strike credit for unfortunately missing time during two of his best seasons in 1994-95. Cone had vert poor run support on the 1997 & 1999 Yankees so his W-L records aren’t representative of how he pitched. He finished in the top 3 in ERA both seasons yet only won 12 games each season. I think Cone is the only starting pitcher other than Burt Hooten in 1977 to finish in the top 3 in ERA and have less than 13 wins.

    Rick Reuschel might be the most underrated pitcher in baseball history. He was stuck on terrible Cub teams with terrible defenses and pitched in a hitter’s park. Then he was stuck on the horrible 1985 Pirates quietly having a great year.

    Cone also had unbelievably horrible run support on the 1993 Royals which masked another great season.

  319. Raul Says:

    Fernando Salas walked in the winning run.
    Dodgers take it in the bottom of the 9th, 6-5.

  320. Raul Says:

    Rick Reuschel

    Career at home:
    116-84, 3.39 ERA

    Career away:
    98-107, 3.33 ERA

    Career at Wrigley:
    74-57, 3.64 ERA

    Not to mention the nonsense about Park Factors…

  321. Len Says:


    “nonsense about Park Factors?”

    Wrigley Field isn’t a great hitter’s park? Which factors into a pitcher’s ERA?

    Isn’t it more difficult to pitch at Wrigley then Dodger Stadium or the old Astrodome?

    That’s a testament to Reuschel that he pitched that well at Wrigley on those crappy mid 70 to late 70’s Cubs teams. Remember also that he had some horrible defensive teams behind him which also factored into his ERA.

  322. Raul Says:

    If you really think a ball park can be hitter friendly one year, and pitcher friendly the next with no change whatsoever to the park’s dimensions, you’re an idiot.

  323. Len Says:

    Who said anything about changes a ballpark being hitter friendly one year and pitcher friendly another??

    The only thing I said is that Reuschel pitched in a hitter’s park (Wrigley) which is obvious to any baseball fan. I never even mentioned park factors you did.

    The ballpark wasn’t even the major problem for Reuschel. The problem was that he was on horrible Cub teams that never had a winning season from 1973-1980 during the best years of his career. They were terrible fielding teams that never gave him any type of run support. So, his W/L record is not representative of how well he pitched. Also the poor fielding and the hitter’s park effected his ERA.

  324. Bob Says:

    Len welcome. Onto my question. For the past year and a half, I have stated that Felix is the best pitcher in baseball, then either Verlander of Kershaw. Should I re-rank them putting Verlander first? The dude is awesome.

  325. Jim Says:

    The one thing that makes Verlander special is his ability to throw a 98-100 MPH fastball after the 7th inning and do it consistently. Nolan Ryan heads the list of pitchers with that ability and it is a short list.

  326. Bob Says:

    That does it. Verlander is my new #1. And speaking of ace pitchers, the Giants signed Brad Penny.

  327. Bob Says:

    And Chuck, count me as one of the guys who would like you to provide some draft info/commentary. Thanks.

  328. Cameron Says:

    Yeah. Verlander’s proven he’s more consistent. Felix CAN be a better pitcher than Justin, but Justin’s the more reliable guy to look for to keep guys from scoring.

  329. Raul Says:

    Take your shot.

    Justin Verlander
    112-58 W/L
    3.47 ERA
    8.4 K/9
    1,382.2 Innings Pitched

    Felix Hernandez
    88-70 W/L
    3.23 ERA
    8.2 K/9
    1,451 Innings Pitched

    Verlander made his ML debut at 22.
    Hernandez made his ML debut at 19.

  330. Cameron Says:

    Considering the comparative performance between the two from the last two years, I didn’t think the ERA would be that close. …Or Felix’s was lower.

  331. Jim Says:

    While the RS continue the fiction of the sell out streak, the season ticket holders can’t give them away.

    “You feel like you’re making sales calls when you’re trying to give them away,’’ said Jeff Ciffolillo, president of the New England Realty Group in Canton. With a one-fifth share in two $175 State Street Pavilion seats and another pair of $47 seats in right field, he’s become fatigued by rejection. “It’s a painful process, going through your Rolodex. You get tired of people saying no.’’

  332. Jim Says:

    Sorry I forgot the link to the article.


  333. Len Says:


    Felix is a great pitcher but I can’t see him as being the best in baseball from 2011-2012. I think it’s pretty clearly Verlander.

    If you take it back to 2009-2012, I think it’s been:


    Then it’s very close between the next 3:

    6-F. Hernandez

    I think Jered Weaver has been the most underrated pitcher since 2009.

    Felix is great but he had a bit of a down year (for him) last season. Felix gets lousy run support which is indicative of his w/l record but he pitches in a great pitcher’s park and gets o.k. defense from the Mariners. Felix’s achilles heel is that he walks too many batters. He’s never finished in the top in BB/9 and that’s what separates him from Halladay, Verlander and Lee.

    I don’t think most people realize that Felix is only 26 years old! Already he’s finished in the top 10 in K/9 six times and in the top 10 in K’s five times. Every pitcher that’s finished in the top ten in K/9 at least 12 times is in the HOF. That Felix is halfway there and he’s only 26 is remarkable.

  334. Chuck Says:

    Welcome, Len.

    Actually, there are 72 pitchers in the HOF.


    Negro Leaguers and relievers weren’t counted in my little exercise.

    Since you’re either new here or haven’t been around in awhile (I seem to recall the name), I’ll remind you.

    Sabermetrics suck. WAR is a dumb stat. So are park factors.

    It’s personal choice obviously, but any single or group of statistical measurements which in any way, shape or form that supports Rick Reuschel for the HOF justifies the statement. Underrated, maybe. Of all-time, not hardly.

    As I mentioned in the article, I only used WAR because it’s a simple way to obtain an average, and BR’s HOF sheet is a good one-stop shop for the info.

    No one gets “strike credit”, I’ve seen that argument for Tim Raines before and it’s dumb.

    If you HAVE to resort to strike credit, or postseason pitching record to justify someone’s HOF worthiness, he’s really not worthy at all.

    Verlander over Felix?

    I like Verlander as much as anyone, but give Felix Verlander’s defense and run support and he’d never lose a game.

    Not even a question for me.

  335. Chuck Says:

    Can tell the Yankees are playing an NL team..Girardi giving the starters a breather..Ibanez in right, DeWayne Wise in left and Jayson Nix at second.

  336. Chuck Says:

    And Swisher’s at first.

  337. Raul Says:

    I guess if a 40-year old pitcher looks like Justin Verlander, you might as well start your minor leaguers.

  338. Cameron Says:

    …Ibanez in right? Ibanez, the man who’s quite possibly the slowest man and the league and has an arm that rivals Johnny Damon’s is in right.

    Who the fuck are they playing, the Mobile Bay Bears?

  339. Cameron Says:

    Hey, speaking of guys who used to be the best pitchers in the league, Jake Peavy seems to be back. I missed him. Who was the jackass who was wearing his uniform for the last three season?

  340. Chuck Says:

    Oakland is last in the AL in runs scored and in the majors in team BA at .219.

    Sure, let’s keep Taylor, Carter and Green in AAA.

    Seriously, if the they played a best of seven, I’d take Sacramento.

  341. Bob Says:

    But would you take Sacramento to sweep?

  342. Cameron Says:

    And yet Oakland has a winning record. …Is the pitching THAT good, or are they just that goddamn lucky?

  343. Chuck Says:


    The A’s are threatening the ML record for lowest team BA for a team with a winning record, .214, set by the 1968….Yankees.

    They finished fourth at 83-79.

  344. Chuck Says:

    Russell Martin just went oppo off Homer Bailey.

    2-1 Reds.

    Through three innings, Ivan Nova has 8 k’s.

  345. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, but the ’68 Yankees could hit homers. At least their hits fucking counted.

  346. Cameron Says:

    Uh… Open mouth, insert foot. Team high for homers in ’68for the Bombers? Mickey Mantle. …Whose knees were so fucked up he was the first baseman. …And hit 18 homers. Granted, it was ’68… But still.

  347. Cameron Says:

    And Joe Pepitone was the center fielder. …Joe Pepitone in center, Mickey Mantle on first.

    …Were the Yankees playing in the goddamn Twlight Zone in 1968?

  348. Bob Says:

    Probably. They were stunned and recovering from the results of 1967.

  349. Raul Says:

    In those days, 18-20 home runs did mean you were a power hitter.

    Only 3 guys even hit 30 homers in the AL in 1968.

  350. Chuck Says:

    clap, clap, clap.

    First ML hit for Mike Costanzo…28 years old.

    nice guy.

  351. Raul Says:

    Brandon Morrow is pitching like an ace.

  352. Raul Says:


  353. Bob Says:

    The Rangers look good.

  354. Chuck Says:

    Yankee Stadium is about to have an Aroldis Chapman sighting.

  355. Raul Says:

    Adam Jones with another home run. He’s up to 14.
    As of this at-bat, he’s .307/.354/.620

  356. Chuck Says:

    Ian Kennedy has made two mistakes to the Royals.

    Unfortunately for him, they were to Billy Butler and Mike Moustakas.

    4-0 KC after four.

  357. Cameron Says:

    I saw something interesting checking yesterday’s news. Someone hit a long homer in BP in Detroit. Calvin Johnson of the Detroit Lions. I thought that was kinda cool.

  358. Raul Says:

    That is pretty cool.

    Did he do it on Playstation or XBox?

  359. Cameron Says:

    He was actually there, got video too.


  360. Chuck Says:

    I was trying to find out some information on that “Adrian Gonzalez” guy that played RF yesterday for the Red Sox.

    Anyone know anything about him?

  361. Cameron Says:

    I think he played for San Diego. Moving to Boston should help him, but who knows? Not like anyone ever gives a shit about a Padre.

  362. Chuck Says:

    Ohhhh..Calvin Johnson hit a homer during BP?

    Off some 75 mph meatball?

    Jennie Finch used to hit the seats during BP with the Dbacks when her husband was pitching for them.

  363. Cameron Says:

    I know, BP homers aren’t that exciting. I just thought it was an interesting story.

  364. Jim Says:

    @360 Friday night AGon had two put outs, one on a high fly that he needed to back on and caught on the run. Of course he made it look more difficult than it was as he’s so slow a foot. The second was a very nice catch on a ball down the line that he needed to slide and catch it while avoiding the wall.

    Today he caught a routine fly from Mayberry.

    AGon has looked better in right, than Youk looked in left a couple years ago. I’d dare say that AGon as an outfielder is an upgrade over Manny Ramirez.

    Though a big guy this AGon seems to be mostly a singles hitter.

  365. Patrick Says:

    Calvin Johnson is probably even better than Michael Jordan. He’d be awesome in a no curveball league. He has a nice swing though.

    Jennie Finch can reach the seats? That has to make Juan Pierre’s nutsack shrink.

    I think Verlander is the best pitcher on the planet. By the time he’s done he will probably break Nolan Ryan’s no hit record(6).

    SABR should make there own HOF, they’re doing a great job of turning reality into fiction in other areas of baseball.

    Speaking of fiction, I finally saw Brad Pitt playing Billy Beane. I had to wait until it was free because I refuse to give Moneyball a dime. Beane and a fat egghead kid from Yale teach the lifelong baseball scouts and Art Howe the proper way to evaluate talent. Pull that shit off and you deserve an Academy Award.

  366. Cameron Says:

    Calvin actually had a chance to be a ballplayer, but he chose football instead.

    …I say it’s a good choice. Tall batters tend to get killed.

  367. Patrick Says:

    Calvin gets about $100K per reception against guys who are half a foot smaller than him, so yeah, football was a good choice!

    Dave Winfield was the best tall batter I’ve seen, but yes, they have a lot of holes in their swings.

  368. Chuck Says:

    It was five, six years ago, before she had kids and got fat and lazy.

    SABR does have it’s own HOF..something called the “Hall of WAR”, I think it’s on Fangraphs or something. It has two lists, theirs and then a corresponding list of those guys who are in now that would be kicked out on the new list. Makes you appreciate the BBWAA.

    I have yet to see Moneyball, and probably won’t, even if free. Somehow, I see no point to watching a fictional movie made about a fictional book.

  369. Cameron Says:

    I’ve seen it. If you can shut your brain off and take the movie for what it is, it ain’t bad. Bit formulaic, but not bad.

    Granted, my bar for good movies is pretty damn high. I just watched On the Waterfront… Fuck, Hollywood’s gone downhill.

  370. Chuck Says:

    The point of watching a movie is NOT to shut your brain off.

    That’s what Reality TV is for.

  371. Cameron Says:

    Depends on the movie really. If it’s something like Die Hard, I can shut my brain off and watch shit blow up and people get shot. …To a point. If it’s offensively stupid like say, a Michael Bay movie, then that’s asking too much of me.

    Though perhaps I used the wrong words. If you take it on its own merits, it’s… Not great. But I’ve seen a bunch of movies use the same formula and not do t half as well as Moneyball did.

  372. Bob Says:

    The 5 best movies of all-time.

    1. Breakfast Club
    2. Parenthood
    3. Animal House
    4. Fast Times at Ridgemont High
    5. Cape Fear.

  373. Cameron Says:

    All movies that aren’t exactly things you need to use your brain to enjoy.

    Also, you know what I find baffling? Marilyn Monroe would be a Size 16 by today’s standards. according to the fashion world, that makes her “fat”. …I hate America sometimes.

  374. Bob Says:

    You want a thinking movie? “Searching for Bobby Fisher.” In my top 10, though not sure exactly where.

  375. Chuck Says:

    I watched the original “12 Angry Men” the other day…great flick.

  376. Cameron Says:

    The Sidney Lumet one with Henry Fonda, Chuck? Love that movie.

  377. Chuck Says:

    Yes..the original.

  378. Chuck Says:

    The remake with Brad Pitt and George Clooney was a bomb.

  379. Cameron Says:

    Well Chuck, I had to ask because… Huge movie nerd flag here, that’s not the first time 12 Angry Men was screened. It was a 1954 CBS teleplay before Lumet made his version.

  380. Patrick Says:


    The movie is really about a fictional stat geek, Steve Brand. Brand is fictional because the real guy, Paul Depodesta, wouldn’t give Pitt permission to use him in the movie.

    I am now a Paul Depodesta fan.

  381. Bob Says:

    Lance Berkman may retire. Torn ACL is the reason.

  382. Patrick Says:

    *The movie = Moneyball

  383. Cameron Says:

    Ooof… I hope Big Puma comes back from this. The guy’s had a huge second wind since becoming a Cardinal, I think he has the abiliy to bounce back.

  384. Raul Says:

    Unless Berkman wants to come back as a designated hitter, he’s finished.

  385. Chuck Says:

    Here comes the HOF nonsense now.

    Berkman’s 146 OPS+ doesn’t justify him as a great player, it justifies OPS+ being a dumb stat.

  386. Cameron Says:

    Depends on the recovery, Raul. The guy could come back in the NL as a first baseman I think. He’ll just never play the outfield again.

    As for Berkman and the HoF IF he’s finished… I’m voting no. He’s great over his career, but it’s really only a 12 year career. With injuries. Normally I’m not a counting stat kind of guy, but it’s REALLY damn hard to make a Hall of Fame resume in the minimum time. Only guy to really do it recently was Pujols, but by the time he got his ten years, he’d met or surpassed most of the career totals of Joe fucking DiMaggio. Berkman? He wasn’t THAT good. Hate to say it, his resume needs padding.

  387. Patrick Says:

    Berkman’s comps in BR seem about right;

    1.Dick Allen (919)
    2.Albert Belle (908)
    3.David Ortiz (898)
    4.Brian Giles (887)
    5.Jim Edmonds (882)
    6.Moises Alou (880)
    7.Jack Clark (880)
    8.Ellis Burks (874)
    9.Johnny Mize (873) *
    10.Juan Gonzalez (869)

    Mize is the only HOF and he was from a time when those stats meant more.

  388. Chuck Says:

    And he was also a VC selection.

  389. Raul Says:

    I actually don’t have a problem with Berkman only playing 12 years.
    There’s a minimum requirement for a reason. And if you meet it and you’re a great player, I don’t have a problem if the voters elect you.

    I would say ‘no’ on Berkman. Though he was a fine hitter. There are a lot of guys who were really great and who are not in the Hall of Fame, and there’s no shame in that.

    Albert Pujols could retire tomorrow and I wouldn’t mind at all if he were elected to the HOF.

  390. Cameron Says:

    If albert retired tomorrow, Anaheim would most likely throw him a parade for freeing up 210 million dollars for the next nine years.

  391. Chuck Says:

    Yu Darvish v. Felix Hernandez tonite.

  392. Chuck Says:

    “Albert Pujols could retire tomorrow and I wouldn’t mind at all if he were elected to the HOF.”

    LOL..good one.

    And just so you know, I don’t wrap meat in aluminum foil.

  393. Raul Says:


    Anthony Bourdain went nuts for like 3 days about the errors of wrapping meat in aluminum foil on Twitter a few weeks back.

  394. Len Says:

    Berkman was a great hitter and one of the great players of the 2000’s but I think he falls a bit short of the HOF especially when you compare him to HOF LF/RF

    He has a lifetime .296/.409/.546 line. His career .955 OPS is 19th all time which is impressive.
    He finished in the top 10 in On Base Percentage 9 times, Top ten in Slugging 7 times, Top ten in Base on Balls 10 times.
    He’s 22nd in On Base Percentage since 1901.
    He’s 26th in Slugging Percentage since 1901.

    He was miscast as an outfielder because he was a pretty lousy fielder and he got stuck because the Astros had Bagwell first base.

    I never understood why the BBWA didn’t induct Mize, seems like a no-brainer and a huge omission. He was a dominant hitter and the third best First Basemen from the mid 30’s to the mid 50’s. I could only think of Foxx and Greenberg who were better. As it is he’s one of the top 1b in 1B in baseball history.

    He has a ton of Blank Ink if you look at his player page. Not that they used it back then but he had a career .959 OPS. He led the league in HR four times and RBI three times which is usually an automatic HOF ticket. He finished 6th all time in home runs even though he missed 3 years of his prime due to WW2.

  395. Chuck Says:

    I love Anthony Bourdain.

  396. Cameron Says:

    Bourdain makes me miss having cable.

  397. Chuck Says:

    If you want a good idea of what really happens in a restaurant, read “Kitchen Confidential”.

    Talk about a flash-back,

  398. John Says:

    “Berkman’s 146 OPS+ doesn’t justify him as a great player, it justifies OPS+ being a dumb stat”

    If Berkman had played 4 more years, he’d be a HOF slam-dunk. If he could field better, he’d be a HOF slam-dunk.

    OPS+ is a great stat. Batting average is a stupid stat. RBI’s is a stupid stat. Raw number of hits, with no context, is a stupid stat.

  399. John Says:

    I love how .300 makes you a great hitter, but hit .296 or .294 (like, 2-3 fewer hits per SEASON) with a ton of walks and a ton of home runs or a historically high number of stolen bases, and you’re trash.

  400. Raul Says:

    If you had to choose just one statistic…raw number of hits vs OPS+, raw number of hits is far and away the better statistic.

    It’s not even close.

  401. John Says:

    So, Paul Molitor was better than Babe Ruth?

    Great stat.

  402. Chuck Says:

    You think Berkman not having a .300 lifetime average has anything to do with his HOF chances?

  403. John Says:

    If he did have a .300 batting average, his value as a ballplayer would be superficially enhanced compared to what it actually is.

    So, yes.

    Hell, it would be enhanced if he were a .300 hitter with a .360 OBP.

  404. Raul Says:

    From the perspective that of the top 50 career leaders in hits, all are in the Hall of Fame with the exception of Pete Rose (who should be), Derek Jeter and Ken Griffey JR (who will be) and Craig Biggio (who might be). With Bonds, Palmeiro out for PEDs, and Alex Rodriguez still an active player.

    So to take the point…if you tell someone a batter’s OPS+, it offers literally zero context. The guy could have played 12 games and have an OPS+ of 180.

    If you tell someone a batter has 2700 hits, it’s fairly obvious he wasn’t a 3-year wonder.

  405. Raul Says:

    Oh please.

    The most obvious reason Berkman isn’t going to the Hall of Fame is because of his defense.

    Batting .300 wouldn’t even be in the top 20 reasons.

  406. Chuck Says:

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m waiting for the argument that Lance Berkman is better than Paul Molitor.

  407. John Says:

    On the other hand, if a player gets to 2700 hits, it could have been from 135 hits a year for 20 years, or 200 for 13.5 years. He could have 0 HR, or 762. He could have walked 0 times (well, not quite) or 2000.

    Literally zero context with regards to how dominant a player he actually was.

    You think you a non-dominant player amasses a 170 OPS+ over any meaningful amount of time?

    I’m assuming here, that baseballreference hasn’t totally crashed and we don’t have to make some decision about which one statistic we’re allowed to save. We know who has played a long time and who hasn’t, thank you very much.

  408. John Says:

    “The most obvious reason Berkman isn’t going to the Hall of Fame is because of his defense.”

    You misspelled longevity.

    “I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m waiting for the argument that Lance Berkman is better than Paul Molitor.”

    As a raw hitter? On a per-at-bat basis? Berkman was FAR better.

    But, he played HALF as long. Therefore, he would’ve had to hit TWICE as well to be a better HOF candidate, and he didn’t TWICE as well.

  409. Raul Says:

    Not the point, genius.

    We’re talking one single stat without any other context. It’s painfully obvious which one is better. And by “painfully obvious”, I mean it obviously pains you to admit you’re wrong.

  410. Len Says:

    @404 Raul

    Harlod Baines is 41st on the hit list, Omar Vizquel is 45th.

  411. John Says:

    One stat reflects greatness, another reflects longevity.

    What’s your point? That Paul Waner was better than Ted Williams?

  412. Chuck Says:

    Pay attention to your own argument.

    Having more hits doesn’t make Molitor better than Ruth anymore than OPS+ making Berkman better than Molitor.

  413. John Says:

    You have to have one hitter, either Molitor or Berkman.

    If you choose Molitor, you have no business evaluating baseball players.

  414. Chuck Says:

    We’re not talking “hitter”, we’re talking “player”.

  415. John Says:

    What position did Molitor play most again? DH? Cool.

  416. Chuck Says:

    “If you choose Molitor, you have no business evaluating baseball players.”

    So says the guy who thinks Tim Raines is a HOFer.

    You do realize everytime you say, “player X is/isn’t a HOFer” that no is actually paying attention, right?

    It’s like Charlie Brown getting yelled at by his teacher.

  417. Raul Says:

    Do you understand anything about the parameters of the arguments you set?

    Seriously dude.

    We’re talking about one stat. By and large, hits is the better stat.

    Player A: 146 OPS+
    Player B: 122 OPS+

    Who was the better player? You’re taking Player A.
    Player A is Ryan Braun.
    Player B is Joe Morgan.

    The fact that you have to evaluate other stats IS NOT THE POINT. The premise was which individual stat was better. Hits is better.

    Nobody said it was perfect. If you’d stop for a second and consider the rules of the argument, you wouldn’t look like a jerk.

  418. Raul Says:

    That should be 132 for Morgan. Sorry for the typo.

  419. Len Says:


    I don’t think that Berkman and Molitor are good comps.

    I would say at their prime Berkman and Molitor were very similar players as far as value. At their peak maybe top 3 seasons, Berkman was better but Molitor played for so long at a fairly high level. Molitor played until he was 42 and I guess Berkman is about 36 and basically out of baseball.

    I tend to look at “times on base” as a good indicator for career value as far as offense goes.

    Molitor is 18th all time with 4460 times on base
    Berkman is 176th all time with 3056 times on base

    I think what hurts Berkman is that he need more seasons. I think overall Berkman was an underrated player because he moved around so much in the field and he was overshadowed by Bagwell and Bigio. Then he’s kind of a fat guy and they tend to be underrated players.

    You could make a solid case that he compares favorably to other HOF LF like Stargell, B. Williams, Zach Wheat, Goose Goslin and Medwick.

    He was better than Rice, Kiner, Brock, Hafey, Manush as far as HOF LF go. He was better than Tony Perez, Cepeda, Sisler, Beckley, and Kelly as far as HOF 1b go.

    I don’t think not hitting .300 will hurt Berman, the voters are pretty savvy now.

  420. Raul Says:


    John basically argues the same thing — that longevity hurts Berkman.

    That’s probably true, but only if he plays longer at a high level. And even then I’d still knock him for his defense.

  421. Chuck Says:

    According to OPS+, Lance Berkman is among the fifty best players of all-time.

    Unless you HONESTLY believe that to be true, John, you really have no argument.

  422. Raul Says:

    Berkman isn’t in Stargell’s league.
    Come on, dude.

  423. John Says:

    @417, we could just use WAR, which accounts for excellence and longevity…but heacen forbid we use scary acronyms.

    The better comparison, I guess, is OPS+ to batting average, or WAR to hits.

    If you want to know nothing about a ballplayer, the latter choices are better.

  424. Chuck Says:

    By all accounts, Berkman was a good guy with the media, which should buy him a couple of years on the ballot.

    He won’t last all fifteen, probably not ten.

  425. Patrick Says:

    Molitor and Berkman are both great hitters but Berkman has a ways to go before anyone can say he’s had a better career than Molitor. Molitor was one of the most consistent hitters I’ve seen.

    OPS+ uses imperfect data so I prefer OPS. The thing is, you can’t evaluate baseball using one stat.

    All of those guys on Berkman’s BR comps are typical borderline guys except for Mize. I’d say Dick Allen has get inducted before any of them. He put up his numbers in a pitcher’s era.

    One last thing, BA drives OPS anything so it’s silly to say BA is a stupid stat.

  426. John Says:

    @421, NO.

    He’s one of the top 50 HITTERS on a PER AT-BAT basis.

    Not the same thing, not even close.

  427. Chuck Says:

    Molitor WAR…72.9
    Berkman WAR…49.0


  428. Patrick Says:

    @427 beat him with his own club!

    I think most people look at BA for what it is. Jim Thome will be a first ballot guy with a mediocre BA and outstanding OBP. Reggie Jax, Brooks Robinson and Harmon Killebrew had no trouble getting in. Mickey Mantle hit .298 and they let him sneak in too.

    It’s an absolute myth that the older generation judges players by BA.

  429. Raul Says:

    “It’s an absolute myth that the older generation judges players by BA”

    Spoken like a true prodigy.

  430. Chuck Says:

    OPS+ is based on park adjustments.

    If the Yankees played 81 games in Safeco, would the park factor change?

  431. Raul Says:

    There was another beating outside Dodger Stadium.

    This time over a fender bender. That’s messed up.

  432. Chuck Says:

    Isn’t Dodger Stadium in Crenshaw?

    Makes Harlem look like Beverly Hills.

  433. Raul Says:

    Actually, these days Harlem is looking a lot different.

    LOL, you might actually be right about that.

  434. Chuck Says:

    I remember Harlem in the ’70’s.

    White guy goes in, white guy never seen again.

  435. Len Says:

    @422 Raul.

    HOF left fielders:

    Stargell’s lifetime line: .282/.360/.529, .889 ops,
    B. Williams lifetime line: .290/.360/.492, .853 ops,
    Z. Wheat’s lifetime line: .317/.367/.450, 817 ops,

    Berkman’s lifetime line: .292/.409/.549, .955 ops,

    Berkman actually has a better career line though he hasn’t played as long as Stargell.

    Stargell was a horrible fielder and his 1979 MVP was a joke.

  436. Raul Says:

    Stargell also didn’t play in that bandbox they call Houston, with souped up baseballs and in an era where pitchers get warned if the baseball comes within 3 feet of the batter’s elbow.

  437. Raul Says:

    But I guess the stats guys can’t really quantify that sort of thing, so they marginalize its significance and cast it aside.

    Because, you know, that’s convenient to do.

  438. Bob Says:

    Cody Ross has a broken bone in his foot.

  439. Chuck Says:

    Maybe they’ll play Youkilis in right field.

  440. Bob Says:

    They need to increase his trade value somehow.

  441. Bob Says:

    No baseball for me tonight. “House” is coming to an end. Great show.

  442. Raul Says:

    thought the idea was to send Middlebrooks back down when Youk was ready.

  443. Chuck Says:

    The Red Sox are sellers.

    Middlebrooks has proven he’s a quality ML player (you’re welcome) offensively and defensively.

    This is one of those situation where the return is secondary.

  444. Chuck Says:

    I’ve never watched “House”.

    Not sure what’s on tonight baseball wise. Hoping Seattle/Texas, but if not I’ll watch the Dbacks. Yawn.

  445. Chuck Says:

    You know what’s driving me crazy?

    Trying to figure out this bonus pool stuff with the draft.

  446. Raul Says:

    I haven’t even read anything about it.

  447. Bob Says:

    Convoluted as shit. Have a good night.

  448. Chuck Says:

    “I haven’t even read anything about it.”

    I’m workin’ on it.

    Something tomorrow, hopefully.

  449. Chuck Says:

    Berkman has a torn meniscus, not ACL..out 6-8 weeks instead of the season.

    Twins released Jason Marquis, contract with Boston imminent.

    Manny Banuelos to DL with “soreness” in his left elbow.

  450. Raul Says:

    Of course Banuelos has soreness in his elbow.
    What’s he got? 25 IP all year?

  451. Raul Says:

    I don’t know if this is old news…Mark Teixeira is batting 7th.

  452. John Says:

    “Molitor WAR…72.9
    Berkman WAR…49.0”

    Did I not say that Molitor was a better candidate?

    I was saying that Berkman was a better HITTER, again, on a per-at-bat basis.

    Which, he was.

  453. John Says:

    ” Reggie Jax, Brooks Robinson and Harmon Killebrew had no trouble getting in.”

    Harmon Killebrew didn’t get in until his fourth try.

  454. John Says:

    “If the Yankees played 81 games in Safeco, would the park factor change?”

    Read this:


    and you should have your answer.

    Hint: the answer is no.

  455. John Says:

    “Stargell also didn’t play in that bandbox they call Houston, with souped up baseballs and in an era where pitchers get warned if the baseball comes within 3 feet of the batter’s elbow.”

    If ONLY there was a statistic that somehow judged batters within the context of the era they played in, thereby allowing us to compare batters to their peers. If only such a metric existed, so we could disprove it when Raul, who never saw Stargell play, starts muttering nonsense about how every player after 1995 would never have cut it back in the good old days of artificial turf fields, 98 pound outfielders, wife-swapping, and cociane.

    Oh wait.

    That metric DOES exist.

    Stargell, OPS+: 147
    Berkman, OPS+: 146

    Basically the same, props to pops on doing it for another 2000 or so plate appearances.

    Pops in, Berkman out. We’re agreed? Cool.

  456. Raul Says:



  457. Raul Says:

    Yu Darvish will lose tonight.
    Maybe he’ll learn something about pitching by watching the other guy, though.

  458. Raul Says:

    I’m convinced that Albert Pujols and Aramis Ramirez suck ass this year solely because I have them on my fantasy team.

    Guaranteed each of these fuckers would slug .700 for a month if I dropped them.

  459. Raul Says:

    Over/Under 2 seconds in flight for that home run that Giancarlo Stanton hit tonight?

  460. Raul Says:

    So I was at my local Barnes and Noble today and I noticed that in a few weeks, Jim Abbott will be doing a signing of his book: “Imperfect: An Improbable Life”.

    I’m not much of a celebrity hound or anything like that, so I’ll probably skip it (though I’m not sure he’ll get a big draw anyway).

    I may read the book some day though.

  461. Cameron Says:

    Raul, if it’s just a local signing, I don’t see any harm in going.

  462. Raul Says:

    It’s more that the signing starts at 7pm and once I get home from work, I’m not leaving the house…even if it is just a half mile up the street.

    Well, maybe.

  463. Cameron Says:

    Half a mile, not bad. Only autograph signing I ever went to was out of state on a day off of work. …It was at a Cabela’s next to the Kansas Speedway on race day. If it was something like that, I could understand not wanting to go. But half a mile at 7 when you’re off work already?

    …Dude, it’s Jim Abbot. Not even in New York. I doubt there’d be a line.

  464. Raul Says:

    I dunno. I’ve just never been an autograph guy. I’d rather sit down and listen to a guy tell stories over a beer or two.

    We’ll see. Maybe, if nothing else, I’ll just go for support.

  465. Patrick Says:

    2011 number 4 overall pick, Oriole prospect Dylan Bundy’s first 30 pro innings in A ball;

    30IP, 5H, 0ER, 2BB, 40K, 0.233WHIP

    He didn’t allow a hit until his 14th inning.

    He retired the first 26 men he faced, walked the 27th and then retired the next 13.

    He finally let up a hit in his 14th inning but got him on a double play, then he walked a guy in his 17th but doubled him up to. So he faced 1 over the minimum for his first 17 pro innings!

    Sidd Finch-like

  466. Chuck Says:

    So, then why has Safeco’s park factor changed every year?

    Cameron, isn’t every day an off-day for you?

    I used to be big on card collecting/autographs back in the day until I found out just what a scam the industry is.

    The Sheraton Hotel near me used to have a show every year in February, they’d get some big name Met, Yankee and Red Sox guy right before spring training. There was this lady at work who was separated from her husband who was a big Sox fan, and so was their son. I looked at it as an opportunity to get laid.

    Anyway, February ’87, Roger Clemens is one of the guests. I’m still in the restaurant business then and in a small town everyone knows everyone, so I take them and we go in the back door through the kitchen area, avoiding the lines and the $$.

    The kid has this big manilla envelope with a couple of posters and such that he wants Clemens to sign, and before the show starts he has to take a leak. There was a bathroom in the service hallway outside the kitchen, so I go with him to hold onto his stuff while he “goes”.

    We walk in, and there’s one guy in there….Clemens.

    The kid freaks out, almost pees himself.

    Roger talks to him for a minute, signs all his stuff, and leaves.

    We go back out to where his Mom was and told her and she didn’t believe us until he took out his pictures and showed her.

    That was awesome…never got laid, though.

    The one show I still regret missing (hangover) was with Ernie Banks. It wasn’t so much for the autograph but just to meet him.

    There’s a big show in Phoenix every year before spring training that’s tied into the Alumni event, three days, different signers every day. One year I broke down and paid to get Steve Carlton, but everyone else I have, Gaylord Perry, Jenkins, Yount, Feller, Killebrew, Duke Snider, Uecker, Harry Caray, etc, have all been free.

    I won’t pay for an autograph now, with the exception of a HOFer, or someone who was a favorite. I paid for Lou Brock last year at the All-Star show.

  467. Chuck Says:


    Pitch counts make everyone look better than they are. When you only go one and a half times around the lineup, advantage pitcher.

    He’s good, but come on, anyone buying his numbers really believes Sidd Finch exists.

    And Santa Claus.

  468. Patrick Says:

    No, I’m not buying them but it’s still a remarkable start. He’s up to 5 innings a start but until recently he was more of a long reliever that happened to start the game.

    One indication of the level of competition is he finally let up an unearned run in his 6th start;

    He K’d the guy on a wild pitch and he reaches 1st. Runner steals on the next pitch and the catcher throws it away, runner goes to 3rd and the CF throws it over the 3rd base dugout and the guy scores. Bundy K’d the next guy to end the inning. Little League! lol

  469. Chuck Says:

    Baseball America did a study in this week’s issue surrounding high school pitchers and pitch counts.

    Since 1992, 103 high school pitcher were selected in the first round, with 48 missed a “significant” portion of at least one of their first six pro seasons.

    Thirty-eight of the forty-eight were due to elbow and/or shoulder injuries.

    In their first pro seasons, 12 pitchers threw less than 71 IP, 42% would go on to make the majors, 58% would be injured within their first six seasons, 25% would have at least one season of 150 or more IP in the majors.

    Forty-seven pitchers would throw between 71-149 innings, 55% would make the majors, 51% would be injured at least once in their first six years, and 40% would go on to have at least one ML season of 150 IP.

    Fifteen would have 150 or more IP in their first pro season, 93% would make the majors, 27% would have an injury in their first six years, and 60% would have at least one 150 IP season.

    The five pitchers who threw the most innings ranged from 165 to 175..Roy Halladay, Jake Westbrook, Adam Wainwright, Gavin Floyd and Brett Myers.

  470. Cameron Says:

    @466 That autograph signing was when I still had a job. You think I’d have gas money to go out of state without a job?

  471. Cameron Says:

    And for the record, it was a free appearance. I didn’t have to pay for the signing. I still bought some stuff before I left to sign. He was my favorite pro wrestler as a kid and this was like, the one chance I ever had to meet him. Real nice guy. Also said the coolest thing I’ve ever heard a celebrity say. After he gave me the autographed piece of paper he gave to everyone, I pulled out the DVDs and asked “is that paper going to be the only thing you sign?”

    He said, “Kid, there’s never such a thing as the only thing I’m signing.”

    Then he spent half an hour trading hunting stories with the blind kid behind me. It was amazing to see this guy was so… Y’know, nice.

  472. Bob Says:

    A blind kid was hunting? Lovely

  473. Chuck Says:

    You going to tell us who it was, Cam, or make us guess all day?

  474. Cameron Says:

    Shawn Michaels, Chuck. I think the reason he was at Cabela’s was because he was doing some publicity work for his hunting show on the Outdoor Channel.

  475. Mike Felber Says:

    I go away for a bit & the last thread is approaching 500 comments! I will have to read ’em later. Arts Festival weekend ended, had many media listings & some stories, even Friday in NY Times.

    i will just note for now that all WARS are not the same. Baseball Gage WAR tends to be higher, sometimes a LOT-check Pops or Killer there vs. B-R war-but sometimes about exactly the same. Pitchers tend to have the biggest variation, due to the latter using FIP stats.

  476. Raul Says:

    I don’t mean to be a jerk or to exploit a guy who’s overcome so much over his life, but if I do go and get Jim Abbott’s book, it’d be so awesome if I got a picture with me making a fist and him holding up his stub.

    I don’t know why, but that’s just funny as hell to me.

    He’d probably sock me right in the mouth though.

  477. Cameron Says:

    Probably a bit too far, Raul. All of a sudden, I’m thinking maybe you should stay at home tonight. =P

  478. Raul Says:

    Well the signing isn’t until June 5th, I think.

  479. Patrick Says:


    That backs up what I’ve always believed to be true, namely, pitchers need to pitch and pitch a lot.

  480. Patrick Says:

    Raul, June 5th? That will give you a little time to think that one through. lol

  481. Raul Says:

    The top 6 in ERA in the National League are all under 2.00.

    No one in the AL is under 2.

  482. Chuck Says:

    “I’ve just never been an autograph guy”

    I’m there now.

    I ended up having him sign stuff because I spent seven hours with him playing golf in the Alumni event a couple of years ago, but BY FAR the best part of the day was listening to Ed Bouchee tell stories about the ’62 Mets.

  483. Raul Says:

    Yeah Chuck.

    I mean that’s the thing I would take away from meeting someone: the stories or conversations.

    I don’t mean to diminish the autographs. I have no problem with Braut or anyone else getting signatures. If that’s what you enjoy and cherish, by all means…

    But for me to get an autographed photo or booklet…honestly, it would just sit in a drawer someplace.

  484. Cameron Says:

    I’m more in it to meet the people. If I don’t get it myself, without meeting them. Doesn’t mean as much. I had an autographed Frank White ball. Didn’t meet him, so it didn’t mean as much.

    …Okay, I did meet Frank White, but that was part of work, not the autograph.

  485. Bob Says:

    I have 3 autographs.

    1. Eric Hipple at Eastland Mall after his great Monday night Fotball game.

    2. Mercury Morris. I wonder what that one is worth.

    3. Ali- Haji Sheikh, who married my high school’s history teacher daughter.

  486. Chuck Says:

    Sorry, Bob, but you misspelled his name.

    It’s Ali-Haji Shank.

  487. Bob Says:

    Actually, I never met him. But I just goggled him, and saw he is still married. Metting Morris was a thrill. The best part of it, was that I was really the only one who had specific Dolphin Knowledge, so I could just fire away. It was in Traverse City, which is where Tony Mandarich lives, the last I knew.

  488. Chuck Says:


  489. John Says:

    Man, Buster Posey is on fire lately

  490. Cameron Says:

    Isn’t he that kid who doesn’t know how to block the plate right?

  491. John Says:

    Bill Schroeder said he’s under orders from Bochy to not block the plate at all.

    Giants had a great outfield assist from Melky Cabrera…Posey had to focus, as the throw was just over the runner’s shoulder, but yeah, wasn’t even kind of blocking the plate.

  492. Cameron Says:

    So lemme guess, he’s going to “block the plate” by running up the third base line like I’ve seen a bunch of catchers do now?

  493. John Says:

    Nah, just side-stepping basically.

    Probably smart from a risk-reward standpoint.

  494. Cameron Says:

    Ah, actually going for a tag instead of a block. I know Posey can do it, but I think he’s still getting a little babied with a “No block” policy. Catchers get hurt, man.

  495. John Says:

    It’s not about babying Posey, it’s about winning ballgames.

    Now, granted, Posey’s injury was largely from blocking the plate improperly.

    But still, from a risk reward standpoint…worth maybe saving one run, and possibly missing 120 games? I don’t think so.

  496. Cameron Says:

    I understand where it’s coming from, but at the same time, you really want to stunt this kid’s growth for down the road? What if his lack of experience costs them a go-ahead run in a Game 7 someday? Sure, it’s a big “what if”, but it’s risk-reward versus how nuts you can get. I say work on it before games or on off-days until you’re confident he knows how to block right, but I wouldn’t swear the kid off it entirely because of, let’s face it, a freak accident.

  497. John Says:

    The thinking is that the Giants won’t go back to the World Series, or even the post-season, without a healthy Posey.

  498. Cameron Says:

    Probably right. I’m just weighing good of the team versus how much they’re stunting a guy that’s supposed to be a key piece for them, y’know?

  499. John Says:

    Blocking the plate is worth a run here and there, that’s the problem.

  500. Chuck Says:

    The injury was Posey’s fault to begin with, so telling him he can’t block the plate is kinda like telling Stevie Wonder he can’t cross the street by himself.

  501. Raul Says:

    Well this is interesting:

    AL Leaders in Doubles:
    1. Boston – 116
    2. Kansas City – 90

    Hefty lead by Boston. Would never have guessed KC to be 2nd.

  502. Raul Says:

    Clay Buchholz has allowed 43 earned runs this year in 49.1 innings.
    In 2010, he allowed 45 earned runs in 173.2 innings.

  503. Patrick Says:

    Posey has to put his left knee pointing straight up the line and play baseball or find a new position. It’s the major leagues. I understand John’s point, that a run here and there at the plate isn’t worth losing Posey, and he’s right, but you have to play the game the way it’s supposed to be played. If your plan is to avoid contact, then you’re not a ML catcher.

    Nice stats Raul. Buchholz has been terrible. No movement or location. Plus, KC had that horrible start but they’re inching their way back.

  504. Chuck Says:

    At the time of the draft, Posey had only been catching about a year and a half. Some of the idiosyncracies of the position he was learning as he was going along, one of which is how and when to block the plate.

  505. Chuck Says:

    There are 86 qualifying hitters to date in the American League.

    Jesus Montero ranks 72nd in OBP at .288.

    OMG!!! he has six homers~!!!

    Putting a tuxedo on a pig doesn’t cover the fact it’s still a pig.

  506. Cameron Says:

    @501 I would’ve. Butler and Gordon last year combined to hit 100 or so by themselves. We’re a big doubles hitting team.

  507. Raul Says:

    Considering the average OBP is typically in the mid .330s, I’m surprised he’s 72nd. At .288, I would think he drops out of the top 100.

  508. Raul Says:

    Oh, in the American League…lol

  509. Chuck Says:

    Montero’s OBP is higher than Texeira’s and Pujols’.

  510. Raul Says:

    Man, I tell you…it’s depressing.

    When I sit here and think: The Yankees still owe Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez a combined 204 million dollars — and that doesn’t even include this year’s salaries.

    It’s going to suck for whomever the GM is the replaces Brian Cashman. And you know this is Cashman’s last stint as GM. One reason being he’s had the job for a long time. And the other being, he knows the nightmare that lies ahead.

  511. Chuck Says:

    “he knows the nightmare that lies ahead.”

    While I agree that’s true, it doesn’t make leaving right.

    It’s like the guy who sets a building on fire then stands across the street with everyone else watching.

  512. Raul Says:

    I suppose you’re right. But if Cashman sees the whole thing through, he will have been the General Manager for 20 years.

    That’s a long time and he’s been feeling burned out by the job for at least 5 years already.

    I don’t think Cashman wanted the A-Rod deal, and I know he didn’t want to give Jeter his last contract. I’m not sure who pulled the string on the Teixeira deal.

  513. Chuck Says:

    And at the same time, in his defense, he didn’t want to re-sign ARod, and he told Jeter to look elsewhere. I’m not sure what if any input he had on Sabathia re-signing, but that happened to quickly for there to be any front office debating.

  514. Raul Says:


    I think NY probably wanted A-Rod back and they needed Jeter, but not at those contracts.

    Not having A-Rod would have dramatically reduced the offense at the time. The Jeter contract…well, I think a big part of it was the 3,000 hits and a smaller reason being that they had no Shortstop options that could hit ML pitching.

    At the time, I really thought NY was going to pass on Teixeira and wait for Pujols/Fielder to hit the market. Though to be fair, none of those contracts would have been good for the Yankees.

    Maybe what they should have done was look back to 1995: when they lost Mattingly and got themselves a good-fielding, solid hitting 1B named Tino Martinez.

    Baseball has changed over the years and you no longer REALLY need to spend insane dollar amounts on power bats at corner field positions because you get better production at other positions than you have historically.

    Maybe 25 years ago, you would go the extra mile to get a 40-homer guy. But that’s because the chances were he’d be the only major bat in the lineup. Nowadays you have middle infielders that can give you the kind of pop that only a corner outfielder would have gotten you in 1985.

  515. Cameron Says:

    When do you think Cashman’s actually going to leave, though? The Steinbrenner kids seem to like the guy. To me, it seems Brian’s got the job for as long as he wants to keep it.

  516. Raul Says:

    I think he leaves when he’s completely worn out.

    It’s not really a matter of the Yankees being happy with him or not. He’s been with the organization since like 1986.

    At some point, he’s going to decide he’s had enough and he wants a break. Or he wants to do something else. Or maybe he’ll walk away but stay involved in a limited capacity.

    It’s pretty grueling to be a General Manager and to do it in New York…especially so. Just because he’s got a large payroll to work with doesn’t mean he’s playing Words With Friends on his iPhone all day.

    And considering Cashman didn’t really want the A-Rod, Jeter, and possibly Tex/Sabathia deals, it would be insane for management to put those on his shoulders if/when they backfire. And if management DID do that, it just gives himi another reason to walk away.

  517. Chuck Says:

    Once the old man got too sick to run things and the kids took over, Cashman just became a figurehead.

    It’s tough to work in a situation like that regardless of how much you’re making.

    He’s the General Manager of the New York fucking Yankees and he needs permission to buy a book of stamps.

    I’d be looking for a new job myself. He can pretty much go anywhere he wants, and if he’s successful it will justify him as a good GM as opposed to a guy who won because of payroll.

  518. Cameron Says:

    Well Chuck, he may not be doing as much… But who’s gonna match or beat any check the Yankees are gonna cut for him? I have a feeling the pay alone’s gonna keep him there until he thinks it’s time to go.

  519. Bob Says:

    Theo got sick of the Sox, paycheck and all. Although to be fair, I have not heard much about Hank and Hal for the past year. ( At least)
    Leads me to believe they are not as meddlesome as their old man, although i could be wrong.

  520. Chuck Says:

    Cashman’s made over $30 million since 2001, and that’s salary, that doesn’t include postseason bonuses or any off-season appearances he does.

    The last thing he’s worried about is the size of his check.

  521. Chuck Says:

    Red Sox got sick of Theo, too, or at least specifically John Henry.

    Something’s wrong when both your GM and manager leave within a couple of weeks of each other.

  522. Bob Says:

    Something was wrong. And probably still is. Nobody knows who is asserting the power, although the chain of command should be as follows.

    1. Henry
    2. Cherington
    3. Who gives a shit.

  523. Chuck Says:

    If Francona left because of Theo taking power away from him, why would he leave himself?

    If Francona knew Theo was leaving, why didn’t he just hang around for a couple of weeks himself, at least to see what Cherington wanted to do.

    The fact they both left knowing the other was leaving too tells me this is a power play from the top.

    Like the old saying goes, “Shit rolls downhill”

  524. Bob Says:

    Chuck, I never said anything about Francona leaving. Never. I said Theo. Theo was sick of the crap from LL.
    Why did Francona leave? It would just be conjexture on my part. Notice, he is not managing, but Theo is still general managing.

  525. Raul Says:

    As hot as Josh Hamilton was earlier this month, the current batting leaders for the month of May thus far are (50 PA minimum):

    Batting Average

    1. Melky Cabrera – .424
    2. David Wright – .418
    3. Austin Jackson – .400
    4. Jonathan Lucroy – .394
    5. Andrew McCutchen – .393

    ERA (minimum 20 IP)

    1. Bud Norris – 0.35
    2. Carlos Zambrano – 0.90
    3. Ryan Vogelsong – 0.95
    4. Zack Greinke – 1.33
    5. Felipe Paulino – 1.42

  526. Raul Says:

    Francona isn’t managing because he’s tired. Even if he did interview with Chicago in the offseason.

    He’ll be back.

    I think he could do well in San Francisco if that job opened up.

  527. Chuck Says:

    Jed Hoyer is the Cubs’ GM, Bob.

  528. Bob Says:

    I agree. But he desperately needed a year off.

  529. Bob Says:

    Fair enogh. He left Gming for a promotion.

  530. Cameron Says:

    Raul, I think it’ll take an assassin to get Bruce Bochy out of San Francisco at this rate.

  531. Raul Says:

    Happy 64th birthday, Reggie Cleveland! What a great name. Cleveland played for Boston, St. Louis, Texas and Milwaukee during his 13 years in the bigs. Just looking at his stats page, I love that he had 3 years where he posted at least 10 Complete Games and in none of those years, had an ERA under 3.94. These days, nobody even gets to sniff a Complete Game unless he’s given up 1 or 0 runs through 7.

    Side note: I love that little bit by OJ, Leslie Nielsen and George Kennedy when they’re talking about boxing….

    Lt. Frank Drebin: Hector Savage. From Detroit. Ex-boxer. His real name was Joey Chicago.
    Ed Hocken: Oh, yeah. He fought under the name of Kid Minneapolis.
    Nordberg: I saw Kid Minneapolis fight once. In Cincinnati.
    Lt. Frank Drebin: No you’re thinking of Kid New York. He fought out of Philly.
    Ed Hocken: He was killed in the ring in Houston. By Tex Colorado. You know, the Arizona Assassin.
    Nordberg: Yeah, from Dakota. I don’t remember it was North or South.
    Lt. Frank Drebin: North. South Dakota was his brother. From West Virginia.
    Ed Hocken: You sure know your boxing.
    Lt. Frank Drebin: All I know is never bet on the white guy.
    [Nordberg nods in agreement]

    Man, I miss Leslie Nielsen.

  532. Mike Felber Says:

    …Ah, surely those were the days.

    And stop calling me Shirley.

  533. Mike Felber Says:

    Those Surely were the days was clearly the set up.

  534. Raul Says:

    I should walk back my comment on the complete games with Cleveland.
    In the majority of his CGs, he actually was allowing just 1-3 runs…with some notable exceptions.

  535. Raul Says:

    Mariners take 2 of 3 from the Rangers.

  536. John Says:

    “, I love that he had 3 years where he posted at least 10 Complete Games and in none of those years, had an ERA under 3.94. ”

    See, that one should just write itself.

  537. Cameron Says:

    So… The FUCK is going on with the Dodgers exactly? How are these bums the first to 30 wins?

  538. Bob Says:

    It’s called Magic.

  539. Cameron Says:

    It’s a kind of magic?

    …No, gotta stop myself now. I make one Queen reference and then I can’t stop. It’s like I want it allOHGODDAMNIT!

  540. Chuck Says:

    You just didn’t call Magic a queen, did you?

  541. Cameron Says:

    Oh lord no, I just reached for the low-hanging fruit… Man, can I dig this hole any deeper?

  542. Bob Says:

    Remember when he and Isiah used to give each other a kiss-e-poo on the cheeks?

    Also Hal needs an English lesson. Discussing a potential sale of the Yankees, which he said is “Complete fiction” he also said “Me and my family have no intention to sell the Yankees and expect (the francise) to be in the family for years to come.

    Hal, a free English lesson. It should be My family and I. I gave him a free lesson because John Henry offered him a membership to Red Sox Nation. Next time, however, he will have to ante up for my services.

  543. Cameron Says:

    …Sale of the Yankees? Why? The Yankees are a fucking license to print money. Who’d EVER sell that?

  544. Bob Says:

    CBS and John DeLorean, to name just 2.

  545. Cameron Says:

    Well, the Yankees weren’t the cash cow they are now during the CBS years. As for DeLorean, well, don’t finance your empire with cocaine.

  546. Raul Says:

    DeLorean was an investor in a group that bought the Yankees. And he wasn’t ever going to be the top shareholder anyway.

    They bought the team in 1973, and if DeLorean was using any drugs at that time, chances are it would have been a hallucinogen or heroin.

    Coke didn’t explode on the scene until years later.

    Was DeLorean even a drug user? I always thought the plan behind the cocaine purchase was to finance his automobile company. Though a lot of people were using stuff in the 70s.

  547. Cameron Says:

    He probably was.

  548. Brautigan Says:

    Back from California.

    Man, Trevor Bauer is not very big. But his arm is.

  549. Bob Says:

    Baseball Refernce lists him as 6’1″ 185 pounds.

  550. Raul Says:

    Happy 34th birthday, Brad Penny! Penny’s had a strange career. Originally a big, powerful pitcher, Penny never did become the dominant starter he was projected to be. Just goes to show you that throwing hard doesn’t always mean you miss a lot of bats. His best season came in 2007 with the Dodgers, going 16-4 with a 3.03 ERA in 208 innings. According to Wikipedia, Brad Penny used to date Dancing With The Stars and Ukranian beauty, Karina Smirnoff. And I have to say, she is pretty hot.

    Happy 39th birthday, Bartolo Colon! As much as John continues to dwell on Colon not deserving the 2005 AL Cy Young (get over it), it’s worth noting that Colon was indeed a quality pitcher once. After battling injuries and being out of the game, Colon returned to MLB with the Yankees last year and for most of the season, was quite effective as he posted a 3.20 ERA in the 1st half of 2011. He’s been about average with Oakland thus far in 2012, but for 2 million dollars, that’s not bad.

  551. Cameron Says:

    Chuck, I’m not sure if you were in New York back in the 70s or not. Hard to keep track of all your stories sometimes. You ever visit 42nd Street before it got all cleaned up? I’m kind of a movie history guy and that stuff is a pretty interesting chapter of film history.

  552. Chuck Says:

    Nobody visited 42nd St in the ’70’s, especially if you were of the Caucasian persuasion.

    Cross it? Yes.

    Drive by it? Yes.

    Intentionally go there? Not in a million years.

  553. Cameron Says:

    Ah. See, I’m a sucker for all those old grindhouse films that were showing all the time there. …Granted, I wouldn’t have lasted five minutes there.

  554. Raul Says:


    Cam, you never saw “Mean Streets” or “Midnight Cowboy” ?? What about “Serpico”?

    Dude, there’s tons of 70s movies that show you what NYC was like in those days.
    (actually, I think Midnight Cowboy was 1969)

  555. Brautigan Says:

    He may be listed as 6’1 and 185, but he looked more like 5’11 and 170.

    We autographers always joke (trying to identify guys out of uniform) that if their baseball card says 6’2 then they are 6’0, and if they weigh 220, their card is going to say 205.

  556. Cameron Says:

    You want a good one, Raul, watch James Glickenhaus’s “Shakedown”. It was actually shot on 42nd Street. …And I’m pretty sure those vials of crack the guys were stepping on weren’t props.

  557. Raul Says:

    Never saw Shakedown, but from searching…it came out in 1988 and doesn’t have great reviews. Looks like an okay movie.

    My guess (without even seeing it), is that it’s in the Steven Segal-mold of movies…you know…like Carl Weathers in Action Jackson

  558. Chuck Says:

    “From the late 1950s until the late 1980s, 42nd Street was the cultural center of American grindhouse theatres, which spawned an entire subculture. The book Sleazoid Express, a travelogue of the 42nd Street grindhouses and the films they showed, describes in detail the unique blend of people who made up the theatre-goers, including black pimps, low-grade mafiosi, transvestites, Latino gangsters, “rough trade” homosexuals, aggressive lesbians, trench coat-clad perverts, and thrill-seeking squares.”

  559. Cameron Says:

    Glickenhaus isn’t a critical darling, Raul. He’s a scholck action-sploitation director. But his stuff is awesome for what it is. Shakedown’s good and The Exterminator is pretty awesome too.

    His stuff is a far cry from Seagal’s movies. Seagal’s stuff is WAY too clean to get compared to Glickenhaus. It’s hard to describe how sleazy a lot of exploitation flicks are to people who haven’t seen them. You ever see Planet Terror? The good half of Grindhouse? Imagine that, but with shitloads of film damage, worse acting, and played completely straight.

    The old exploitation flicks are quite a spectacle, really.

  560. Chuck Says:

    I saw Bauer in ST…I was in the press box and he was next to the Dbacks dugout signing autographs. Ryan Roberts came over and stood next to him to sign, and they were almost identical in size, with Roberts being maybe a shade bigger….from a distance. Roberts is listed at 5’11”, 185.

    Take that with whatever amount of salt you want.

    How was the trip, Braut?

  561. Chuck Says:

    Midnight Cowboy was rated X when it was first released.

    Bet you didn’t know that.

  562. Cameron Says:

    Actually, I didn’t. Which I actually kinda find surprising, because the film ratings board was a lot looser back then. A hard R these days is a PG in the 70s.

  563. Raul Says:

    I didn’t know that either.

    I bet it’s because Jon Voigt was naked, though I bet a part had to be the general disgustingness of Dustin Hoffman in the movie.

  564. Cameron Says:

    To put into perspective my surprise, I Spit On Your Grave got an R. You tell me Midnight Cowboy is worse than the shit than I Spit On Your Grave.

    …Actually, Raul, there you go. That’s a good comparison point for James Glickenhaus.

  565. Brautigan Says:

    Perhaps the tale of a male prostitute was too much for the sensibilities of the nation in 1969, eh?

  566. Brautigan Says:


    The trip was good. The weather was good, except for the wind (which seemed to be blowing out at all the ball parks).

    Matthew Andriese pitched a heck of a game (for Lake Elsinore) against Modesto. He looked real sharp.

    Josh Bell was raking pretty good, and then on Sunday he gets the call. Good for him.

    Miles Head can hit a ton. He played third on the day we saw Stockton play, and he looks like he can field the position, which would be gravy for Oakland if he can play 3B instead of being anchored at 1B.

    My friend and I had such a good time, we’re considering making another trip in August. Of course, the weather ought to be about 10 to 20 degrees hotter then!

  567. Raul Says:

    Well they say the 1960s was a major turning point in the nation, in many ways, Braut.

    Sometimes it is difficult for someone today to watch a film or tv show, or listen to a song from another era, and understand what brought it about, or understand how it was interpreted.

    I remember the first time I heard an Alice Cooper song, thinking it was pretty mild and somewhat cheesy. And in his time, he was probably looked at as the Anti-Christ.

  568. Cameron Says:

    Well, unless you’re a Republican. Most of them seem to think the only thing that happened in the 60s was blowing up commie chinamen and the rest of everything was a mix of false memories that the hippies’ drugs gave them and propaganda from the blacks.

  569. Chuck Says:

    Like Woodstock?

    Most overrated social event in history.

    95% of the people there don’t even remember being there, and that includes the artists’ too.

  570. Raul Says:

    Since I have access to ESPN Insider, I guess I’ll share Keith Law’s updated rankings…

    1. Dylan Bundy, RHP, Baltimore Orioles (age 19)
    Current level: High Class A (Frederick)
    Preseason ranking: 11

    The Orioles’ bizarre, ultraconservative handling of Bundy aside, he didn’t just dominate inferior competition in low Class A, he did it with the stuff and polish that could, in another organization, have had him in the big leagues this year or at the start of 2013. (The club finally promoted him to Frederick on Wednesday after he threw 30 scoreless innings for Delmarva to open the year, with 40 strikeouts and just five hits allowed.)

    I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that a redraft of 2011’s tremendous class would have Bundy on top, which would have made him the first prep right-hander to go first overall.

    2. Jurickson Profar, SS, Texas Rangers (age 19)
    Current level: Double-A (Frisco)
    Preseason ranking: 7

    It’s hard to rank a guy much lower than this when he has front-line tools and has failed to reach base in just two games this year, the last one on April 7. His combination of OBP, speed and defense will push Elvis Andrus out of the way — talk of moving Profar to accommodate Andrus underestimates just how good Profar is going to be.

    3. Manny Machado, SS, Baltimore Orioles (age 19)
    Current level: Double-A (Bowie)
    Preseason ranking: 4

    He still has more offensive upside than Profar given his power potential, but it’s not a lock that Machado stays at short (I like his chances to do so), whereas Profar is a no-doubt shortstop. And Machado has been gradually heating up as the season has gone on, if we slice the small sample into tiny ones.

    4. Travis d’Arnaud, C, Toronto Blue Jays (age 23)
    Current level: Triple-A (Las Vegas)
    Preseason ranking: 6

    Yes, it’s Las Vegas, which is a notorious hitters’ park, but he’s on a tear right now, hitting .341 with five homers in his last 10 games. The combination of plus defense, power and enough OBP makes him a potential All-Star.

    5. Wil Myers, RF/CF/3B, Kansas City Royals (age 21)
    Current level: Triple-A (Omaha)
    Preseason ranking: 13

    I doubt Myers ends up at third base for the Royals, but there’s nothing wrong with maintaining his flexibility and possible trade value. He’ll hit enough to be an impact guy at any position.

    6. Taijuan Walker, RHP, Seattle Mariners (age 19)
    Current level: Double-A (Jackson)
    Preseason ranking: 24

    Still just 19 and holding his own in Double-A (2.06 ERA), although he’s not quite as polished as Bundy or Miller. Seattle did the right thing in jumping him past hitter-friendly High Desert in the high Class A California League.

    7. Gerrit Cole, RHP, Pittsburgh Pirates (age 21)
    Current level: High Class A (Bradenton)
    Preseason ranking: 10

    Working primarily off his fastball, Cole is handling high-A hitters without too much trouble, but we won’t learn much about how close he is to the majors until he’s properly challenged in Double-A.

    8. Trevor Bauer, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks (age 21)
    Current level: Triple-A (Reno)
    Preseason ranking: 21


    9. Shelby Miller, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals (age 21)
    Current level: Triple-A (Memphis)
    Preseason ranking: 5

    One comment I’ve heard on Miller this season is that he might just be bored; he’s been solid (outside of a bad outing Monday night in Tucson, another great hitters’ park), but not spectacular, and his fastball is down about a full grade, sitting 90-93 mph.

    10. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Pittsburgh Pirates (age 20)
    Current level: High Class A (Bradenton)
    Preseason ranking: 15

    He’s gradually stretching out, flashing the plus breaking ball but not showing it consistently yet; he’s got the size and velocity to be a top-10 starter in the majors but looks like he’s a good three to four years away from approaching his peak.

    11. Miguel Sano, 3B, Minnesota Twins (age 19)
    Current level: Low Class A (Beloit)
    Preseason ranking: 28

    He’s cooled off since the scorching early start, and striking out a lot more than you’d like, but he has enormous raw power (.551 slugging this year) and enough ability to hit to see him as a middle-of-the-order bat down the road with a .260-.280 average but 30-40 jacks.

    12. Archie Bradley, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks (age 19)
    Current level: Low Class A (South Bend)
    Preseason ranking: 19

    Doing everything you’d expect of him given his age and experience, but not on the fast track of Bundy, his former Oklahoma prep rival.

    13. Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks (age 20)
    Current level: Double-A (Mobile)
    Preseason ranking: 25

    Skaggs is closer to the majors than Bradley but has a touch less upside; you can’t go wrong choosing either arm. I would have to think Skaggs is next in line for a call after Bauer, and his command and control are actually ahead of Bauer’s right now.

    14. Bubba Starling, CF, Kansas City Royals (age 19)
    Current level: Extended spring training
    Preseason ranking: 15

    He was the hardest guy to rank on the list, as he still has huge tools but hasn’t played yet this spring. It wasn’t necessarily a bad decision by the Royals to take him fifth overall last June, but since he’s nearly 20 I’d like to see him in games sometime soon.

    15. Christian Yelich, OF, Miami Marlins (age 20)
    Current level: High Class A (Jupiter)
    Preseason ranking: 48

    The power so far this year has been a surprise (.551 slugging), but he can really hit — as in, one of the best pure hit tools in the minors right now. Playing center now but virtually no chance to play there in the majors because of his poor arm.

    16. Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets (age 21)
    Current level: Double-A (Binghamton)
    Preseason ranking: 27

    The only thing between him and potential No. 1-starterdom is just throwing more strikes. The raw stuff is there.

    17. Francisco Lindor, SS, Cleveland Indians (age 18)
    Current level: Low Class A (Kane County)
    Preseason ranking: 35

    He’s rising fast and could be top 10 by the end of the year. Very advanced for his age, more than holding his own in low-A even though he’s 15 months younger than Starling.

    18. Nick Castellanos, 3B, Detroit Tigers (20)
    Current level: High Class A (Lakeland)
    Preseason ranking: 37

    He’s destroying the Florida State League (.411 BA) and getting better as the season goes along; the defense is adequate, slightly awkward at times but good enough that he should stay there long-term. No power yet, but that will come with age and once he gets out of the power-dampening FSL.

    19. Julio Teheran, RHP, Atlanta Braves (age 21)
    Current level: Triple-A (Gwinnett)
    Preseason ranking: 18

    His breaking ball still isn’t where it needs to be, and he needs it to improve so hitters can’t just try to time the hard but flat fastball — but he is just 21 in Triple-A with good control, and the velocity is about as easy as it gets.

    20. Anthony Rizzo, 1B, Chicago Cubs (age 22)
    Current level: Triple-A (Iowa)
    Preseason ranking: 36

    Rizzo is shorter to the ball now and even hitting lefties (.327 BA/.377 OBP/.592 SLG in just 53 PA with 12 strikeouts), as well as providing plus defense at first.

    21. Oscar Taveras, RF, St. Louis Cardinals (age 19)
    Current level: Double-A (Springfield)
    Preseason ranking: 53

    His swing is unorthodox — you might even call it ugly — but it works, well enough to see the bat profiling in an outfield corner, with an average high enough that the OBP is strong even if he draws only 40-50 walks a year.

    22. Danny Hultzen, LHP, Seattle Mariners (age 22)
    Current level: Double-A (Jackson)
    Preseason ranking: 30

    Hultzen is nothing spectacular, but he’s very close to major league ready, with a changeup as his best shot for an out pitch and above-average command of all of his pitches.

    23. Nolan Arenado, 3B, Colorado Rockies (age 21)
    Current level: Double-A (Tulsa)
    Preseason ranking: 26

    Now that the preseason hysteria that had some folks calling for Arenado to get the starting third-base job in Denver has died down, he looks more like the prospect he always was: a high-contact hitter who should hit 20-25 homers at sea level with adequate defense at third.

    24. Mason Williams, CF, New York Yankees (age 20)
    Current level: Low Class A (Charleston)
    Preseason ranking: 34

    He’s not walking, but he’s also making a ton of contact, and he’s barely begun to fill out physically. There’s a lot of projection involved in this ranking but he’s a favorite of many scouts (and of me) because of the substantial upside here.

    25. Billy Hamilton, SS, Cincinnati Reds (age 21)
    Current level: High Class A (Bakersfield)
    Preseason ranking: 64

    There’s a lot of skepticism out there about where Hamilton’s ultimate ceiling lies; he’s an 80 runner on the 20-80 scale with 42 steals already this season, and can use his speed to create extra opportunities to reach base, but he lacks power and there’s a fair chance he moves either to second or center field. He’s an absurd prospect for fantasy players but doesn’t look like the kind of player who’ll generate four or five wins a year at his peak unless he becomes a plus defender (perhaps in center) and shows he can get strong enough to consistently drive major league pitching.

    Here are a handful of prospects to watch for before my midseason update: Jackie Bradley, Jr., CF, Red Sox; Matt Barnes, RHP, Red Sox; Jonathan Singleton, 1B, Astros; Zach Lee, RHP, Dodgers; Aaron Sanchez, RHP, Blue Jays; Austin Hedges, C, Padres; Matt Davidson, 3B, Diamondbacks.

  571. Cameron Says:

    I’ve got the concert set for Woodstock on my hard drive somewhere. Outside The Who, most of the acts weren’t that good.

  572. Bob Says:

    1. The Orioles signed J.C. Romero to a minor-league deal, and are considering Roy Oswalt.

    2. The Angels designated David Pauley for assignment.

  573. Chuck Says:

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! David Pauley!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep tonite.

  574. Bob Says:

    Why? Worried the Yanks may bite?

  575. Chuck Says:

    Yes, actually.

  576. Patrick Says:

    Mason Williams tore up Classical Gas. I actually agree with a couple of Law’s assessments. A couple, the other 23 are probably wrong.

    Cam, the thing you have to remember about Woodstock is the only ones who weren’t tripping were Mr and Mrs Yasger.

  577. Cameron Says:

    That and Woodstock used some pretty shitty sound equipment, even for the time.

  578. Bob Says:

    Comingh up on 600 comments. I need to come up with something new, even if it pisses you guys off.

  579. Chuck Says:

    The only thing that would piss me off is if Oswalt signed with Baltimore.

    Between that and getting Brian Roberts back in a couple of weeks, they’re going to be hard to catch.

    Despite their manager.

  580. Cameron Says:

    I don’t understand what the hell is happening in Baltimore. Especially Jim Johnson. He’s not supposed to be this good!

  581. Raul Says:

    A closer is probably like a manager. They just have to make sure you don’t blow the game. They probably don’t have much to do with you winning it.

  582. Brautigan Says:

    Brett Butler told us that if Arizona is in the hunt for the playoffs, it is unlikely Bauer will get the call. As soon as they think they are out of the chase, you’ll likely see Bauer in the major leagues.

  583. Brautigan Says:

    Richie Havens was pretty good at Woodstock, he even made up that song “freedom” on the spot. Can’t beat that.

    I also like Ten Years After “I’m going home”. Alvin Lee and company tore it up.

  584. Brautigan Says:


  585. Brautigan Says:

    Speaking of kicking ass back in the day, there was the Who. Keith Moon’s sound is as unique as it gets. Here is the Who at the Isle of Wight:


  586. Cameron Says:

    The Who are one of my favorite bands ever, and had the hands-down best moment of Woodstock. “See Me, Feel Me” playing at sunrise on Day 3.

  587. Cameron Says:

    Seems the Orlando Magic were discussing Shaquille O’Neal as a possibility to fill their hole at GM. Shaq said he wasn’t interested.

    I think that’s good because… How do I put this… I wouldn’t trust Shaq with that kind of responsibility. The man seems like a complete moron.

  588. Patrick Says:

    Alvin Lee!!! He, Jimi, Clapton and Rory Gallagher were the guitar slingers in ’69….The Who were awesome but I didn’t like the instrument destruction thing. But awesome band.

  589. Chuck Says:


    Which means in about three weeks.

  590. Cameron Says:

    Considering how far out they are, you’re being pretty generous.

  591. Chuck Says:

    There’s already gossip the firesale will be starting soon.

    Jason Kubel will be traded to an AL team.

    Joe Saunders will be traded to the first team that says “yes”

    They’ll bring up Bauer or Skaggs.

    Josh Bell is up as long as he plays well, Ryan Roberts is back where he belongs.

    It’s not a matter of if, but when.

  592. Chuck Says:

    So, the Phillies cancelled a Roy Halladay bobblehead giveaway.

    Seems like the morons who did the design didn’t know Halladay was right-handed.

  593. Cameron Says:

    I’m not sure if that’s an innocent mistake, or sad that assuming every pitcher is left handed these days.

  594. Brautigan Says:

    LOL @ 589.

    Bauer belongs in the bigs. He is a stud.

  595. Raul Says:

    As if you needed more evidence that Curt Schilling is a complete douchebag, he fired all of his employees at 38 Studios.

    Employees were also notified that their health insurance benefits run out at midnight.

    So if you were dependent on a certain medication, or were planning a medical procedure for your child in the near future….go fuck yourself.

  596. Cameron Says:

    That really wasn’t Schilling’s fault Raul. Two top executives bailed from the company and cashed in their severance pay, making the studio default on the loan that was basically funding the whole company. Incompetence on Schilling’s part by funding the company on a loan, maybe, but not malicious douchebaggery.

  597. Cameron Says:

    You know what’s kind of scary. The movie Network. It’s a great satire on how the media works today.

    …But it’s a film from 1976. At the time, that movie was practically science fiction.

  598. Lefty33 Says:

    “So, the Phillies cancelled a Roy Halladay bobblehead giveaway.”

    The bobblehead was not a giveaway.

    It was being sold via the Phillies team store at mlb.com only but has since been taken off the site although they can be found on eBay.

  599. Cameron Says:

    Oh lord, cue the collectors.

  600. Raul Says:

    “Network” is probably my favorite movie that a lot of people have not seen.

    Justin Masterson held the Tigers in check, and Verlander was handed a loss.

    I wouldn’t compare Carlos Santana to Jason Kendall just yet, but Santana was raking when he first came up. He has 27 homers last year, but I wonder if he’ll ever hit for the kind of average he did in the Minors.

  601. Chuck Says:

    Leave it to Lefty to make a cameo just to put me in my place. :)

  602. Cameron Says:

    Raul, if he continues at this rate, Santana will be the anti-Kendall. Crap average, but good power.

  603. Chuck Says:

    Santana’s a future DH.

    You see how big he is? Plus, unlike Posey, he’s not all that athletic to begin with.

    Lay off the rice and beans, bro.

  604. Chuck Says:

    Check out the bomb Stanton hit yesterday.

    It ended up in the beer garden above the LF stands..it’s hilarious watching the people getting out of the way without spilling anything.

  605. Cameron Says:

    Nice shot. Kinda laughed when I heard that weak sounding non-crack off the bat though. A hit that quiet shouldn’t go that far.

    Also, those guys in the beer section (and every portrayal of Miami I’ve ever seen) make me wonder, is Miami the New Jersey of the south?

  606. Chuck Says:

    The more square you hit the ball, the more on the sweet spot you make contact, the LESS the sound.

    When you hear guys say “the ball makes a different sound off so and so’s bat”, that’s what they’re referring to.

    Great hitters catch the sweet spot more often, thus the unfamiliar sound.

  607. Cameron Says:

    I know, but you and I have both said that Stanton has a great crack off the bat. Dude can make it sound like a cannon. That hit sounded like someone broke a Twix bar. I’ve heard infield singles make more noise. It’s just weird.

  608. Bob Says:

    The Red Sox and Yankees Low-A teams are playing each other. Tjhought I would give you guys a quick snapshot of some high profile Yankee farmhands.

    1. Mason Williams on-base% of .333 12 sbolen bases in 19 attempts, and 3 homers.

    2. Dante Bichette Jr. O-base % of .348 with 22 walks and 35 k’s. No homers.

    3. Gary Sanchez. On-base % .353 with 3 homers and 8 stolen bases as a catcher.

    4. Any other Yankees guys you want updates on?

  609. Chuck Says:

    His swing is so short, it really surprises me he strikes out so much.

    He’s definitely learning pitch recognition, but he still commits too early sometimes.

    With his strength, he probably could wait longer than any other hitter.

  610. Cameron Says:

    He’s got a pretty fast swing too, so when he fucks up location, there’s no time to try and adjust.

  611. Cameron Says:

    The Orioles seem to be on the edge of setting a club record for contract extensions on Adam Jones. For the record, the previous O’s record was Miguel Tejada’s 6/72.

  612. Chuck Says:


    That’s what your hands are for, and you’re right.

    He’s learning.

    I’ve seen and heard more than one person say they believe Stanton is the heir apparent to Pujols as the best player in the game. I’m not sure I’d go quite that far, but if he figures out some things offensively, I don’t see why not.

  613. Bob Says:

    Chuck, what is the consensus in the industry.

    1. Trout, Stanton or Harper. Or someone else?

  614. Chuck Says:

    Harper, although that’s including hype and press clippings.

    If you’ve been paying attention, you have started to see some of the shine fading off Harper now that he’s in the majors.

    It’s one thing to speculate about what he can do, now he’s actually doing it..or not.

    For me, it’s Stanton, Trout, Harper; ask me in ten years and you’d likely get the same answer.

  615. Cameron Says:

    2 homers in 90 at-bats. That prodigious power of his really shows.

  616. Jim Says:

    Wednesday afternoon, Daniel Bard topped out at 91 mph and it has been announce that Dice-K will restart his rehab stint. When Dice or Cook are ready, expect Bard to go on the DL with a tired arm.

    Steep hill transitioning from relief to starting when a pitcher has been away from it for several years.

  617. Cameron Says:

    Neftali Feliz is starting this year. His K numbers are a little down now that he’s not going for one inning anymore, but he’s not looking bad out there.

  618. Chuck Says:

    Feliz on the DL with an elbow injury..could be back as early as July first, or as late as spring training.

  619. Cameron Says:

    I wasn’t too concerned because he’s only on the 15-day right now.

    …Oddly enough, so is Lance Berkman. Didn’t he tear his ACL?

  620. Chuck Says:

    No, meniscus.

    Should be back around August first.

  621. Cameron Says:

    Still, seems odd for a tear of any kind to get 15 days.

  622. Chuck Says:

    “I wasn’t too concerned because he’s only on the 15-day right now.”

    Not what you should be paying attention to.

    “..sprained elbow ligament” is the biggie.

  623. Cameron Says:

    It’s a potential red flag, sure. As of now, it’s just a sprain. Now if an MRI comes back and…

    Oh who are we kidding? You fucking look at someone’s elbow the wrong way these days and they get a fucking TJ.

  624. Chuck Says:

    You realize a sprain is actually a tear, right?

  625. Raul Says:

    Yankees sign John Maine to a minor league deal.

    This team is desperate, lol.

  626. Chuck Says:

    Whew..had me nervous there for a second…thought you were going to say they signed David Pauley.

  627. Bob Says:

    They still might.

  628. Chuck Says:

    Bob is lurking.

    I’ll take the Sixers and the points.

  629. Bob Says:

    Sure, the 3-day weekend is lurking as well. So let us discuss basketball. The Celtice will win. And if I am wrong, well rarely watch or follow pro basketball. I will watch the Devils/Rangers before basketball.

    Perhaps just me, though.

  630. Raul Says:

    Players born today:

    Jason Kubel is 30. Kubel hit .300/.369/.539 with 28 HR and 103 RBI in 2007.

    Scott Hairson is 32. The Hairston tradition of ML mediocrity continues. Still, it’s an accomplishment to have that many family members play in the limited fraternity that is the Major Leagues.

    Eric Young Jr is 27. I wonder if you’ll play as long as your father did.

    Chris Young is 33. Is he still playing? He pitched just 24 innings for the Mets last year.

    Mike Vento is 34. I dunno why I mention him. I just remember him being a Yankees prospect like 10 years ago or something.

    Todd Walker is 39. Todd Walker used steroids, right? I don’t know. I just have a feeling that he did.

    Miguel Tejada is 38 (LOL!!! Yeah right). It always seemed like Tejada was this big power hitter but if you look at his career numbers you come away a bit underwhelmed: .285/.336/.457. Those aren’t bad numbers, but it just seemed like Tejada was better. If John continues to b*tch about Bartolo Colon in 2005, I get to b*tch about Miguel Tejada in 2002. He wasn’t the MVP.

  631. Bob Says:

    1. Bill Hall and Nate McLouth have both been designated for assignment.

    2. TGIF!!!

  632. Cameron Says:

    I kinda feel bad for Brandon Guyer. Dude ends up sued because he loaned his car to a friend who got wasted and into several hit-and-runs, gets injured and goes on the DL, and now he’s getting season-ending surgery just a quarter of the way into the season.

    …Could be worse though, he could still be a Cub.

  633. Chuck Says:

    If I could be any person in the world right now, I wouldn’t want to be the Facebook dude, I wouldn’t want to be Kim Kardashian’s cock of the week, I wouldn’t want to be Mitt Romney or David Wright or D-Wade.

    I want to be Brandon Guyer’s lawyer.

  634. Raul Says:

    Why not David Wright?

  635. Cameron Says:

    Formula for Kim Kardashian’s Cock of the Week

    1: Find the worst team in the NBA.
    2: Figure out the starting five and throw their names off the roster.
    3: Place the remaining names on the roster on a dartboard.
    4: Throw your empty bottle of booze at the board and the name it hits closest to is the Cock of the Week.
    5: Call the divorce lawyer to let him know he’ll have some work in a couple months.

  636. Chuck Says:

    I can describe the qualifications for Kardashian’s boy toy of the week in one word, but I run the risk of Felber reading it an having to deal with 15,000 words of his righteousness.

  637. Chuck Says:

    Motherfucking cocksucking suck my ass loving bitches.

    Rangers lost.

    Adding insult to injury, to the fucking Devils.

    Beer run.

    Fuck you Shaun.

  638. Cameron Says:

    Thank god I decided not to call my friend Jason today. His reaction was probably more colorful than yours.

    Um… Go Kings?

  639. Raul Says:

    Didn’t want to comment last night. I was too disappointed. But this morning my feelings remain the same: Marian Gaborik was such a disappointment during these playoffs.

  640. Raul Says:

    Over his last 10 games, Albert Pujols is hitting .282/.356/.692 with 5 homers.

  641. Cameron Says:

    So… Like Pujols?

    And I really don’t like Jersey’s chances. Jersey’s been to Game 7 in just about all their series and the Kings pretty much swept everybody. The Devils have to be fucking tired by now.

  642. Chuck Says:

    The Kings are the eighth seed in the West..they’ve beaten the one, four and five to get to the Finals.

    They’re 10-0 on the road.

    What was Jersey, the four or five seed?

    They just beat the one, and the Flyers were the four or five themselves.

    If Jersey takes them lightly, they’re going to get swept.

    I’m rooting for the Kings because they’ve never won, and because I hate the Devils, but the Eastern Conference is clearly better and if Jersey kicks their ass I won’t be surprised at all.

    Matter of fact, I’m expecting it.

  643. Chuck Says:

    Two weeks ago.

    Encarnacion 12 homers, Pujols 0.

    Today, Encarnacion 15, Pujols 5.

    Double or nothing Pujols catches him by the AS break?

  644. Cameron Says:

    Well Chuck, I don’t know much about hockey, but I know that New Jersey is basically relying on the A-Rod of hockey in Martin Brodeur. Old, past his prime, and has an absolute fucking albatross of a contract.

    If he’s anything like the real A-Rod, they’ve got about, what, a one-in-ten chance of winning it all?

  645. Chuck Says:

    I flipped on MLBNetwork’s “regional” game of the week.

    Detroit at Minnesota.

    Don’t you have to be in the same time zone to be considered in the same region?

    We’re two hours difference.

  646. Raul Says:

    It would be pretty cool if Pujols did catch him.

    Pujols actually has 6, Chuck. Maybe you just made a typo.

    Doubtful Pujols hits any tonight though — the Angels are going up against Felix Hernandez.

  647. Raul Says:

    Nevermind that.
    Pujols homered in the top of the 4th inning off Hernandez.

  648. Jim Says:

    “Don’t you have to be in the same time zone to be considered in the same region?”

    You’re in the same hemisphere, close enough for MLB

  649. Raul Says:

    I think someone either shared or wrote something about former Giants prospect Tim Alderson.

    It seems after 2.20 ERA over 32.2 innings, the Pirates promoted him to AAA a short while ago.

    I don’t think Pittsburgh will promote him to the ML roster this year because none of the Pirates starters are atrocious just now, but if Alderson does reasonably well in Indianapolis, my guess is he figures to get a Spring Training invite in 2013 and legitimate shot to make the rotation.

    If you’re an optimist, maybe you think Alderson goes to Pittsburgh this year — after all, they could theoretically use him for 10-15 starts and still be comfortably under whatever innings limit he may be subject to this year (if he’s under an innings limit at all).

  650. Chuck Says:

    That was me.

    Remember, a couple of years ago I said Alderson would be better than Madison Bumgarner?

    I’ve already eaten enough crow on that one, thankyou.

    Alderson’s in AA.

    He made two AAA relief appearances earlier but is back in AA starting. He pitched yesterday and had a tough start but the two before that were pretty good.


  651. Raul Says:

    Oh, ok.

    Well I thought I read something in that article you shared before about the Giants limiting Alderson’s throwing and long-tossing.

    I suppose it’s possibly you MAY have been right about Alderson and Bumgarner had the Giants let Alderson train the way he wanted to. As such, you have to figure they stalled, or even reversed his development.

  652. Chuck Says:

    In baseball terms, Alderson is still a prospect, in common sense terms that ship sailed.

    You’re a 24 year old high school pick in his fifth pro season still in Double A.

    Of course, last year at this time Manny Banuelos was in his fifth pro season in Double A, and the Keith Law’s of the world were all standing in line to suck his dick.

  653. Raul Says:

    The Yankees have got little-to-nothing with Banuelos and Betances. And all their well-regarded prospects are all in A-ball.

  654. Raul Says:

    Well this must’ve been a hell of a game.

    Toronto scores 2 runs in the top of the 13th inning, only for Texas to score 3 in the bottom of the 13th (2 off of a Josh Hamilton home run) to win the game 8-7.

  655. Mike Felber Says:

    Well not 15K, but if you mean sexism, yes, I would be as “righteous” about that as n-word unreconstructed racism. Same sin, only one is sometimes tolerated in some old boys circles.

    Hello all, my dog & pony show was last weekend.
    Raul, you doing some exercise?

  656. Mike Felber Says:

    About the above-Richie Havens has gotten better. His “Tombstone Blues” & “Maggie’s Farm/Won’t get fooled again” on youtube are very impressive, saw him live a couple of years ago at an UWS winter’s Eve festival.

    Had a f(r)iend who took me into the live sex shows in Times Square when in HS. was not too far into the ’80’s. Yes, it was a different world. Now it is a tame pedestrian walking mall.

  657. Raul Says:

    Hey Mike.

    The last 3 weeks have been busy and tough. Lots of traveling, meetings and I was sick. I haven’t been exercising but eating better.

    Thanks for the follow up.

    LOL @ tame, pedestrian walking mall. George Carlin was right. This whole country is just one big mall.

  658. Raul Says:

    What a difference a few weeks can make.
    After seeing Matt Kemp, David Wright, Derek Jeter and Josh Hamilton all flirting with .400 earlier in the month, only Wright is still hot at .390.

    But it’s Paul Konerko’s hot streak that has him batting .396 on the year for the top Batting Average.

    After hitting .389/.433/.579 in April, Derek Jeter is performing closer to what you would expect from the 37-year old, going .296/.337/.367 in May. Still good numbers, but also more indicative of the decline he’s due to have.

    The biggest surprise might be having two catchers in the Top 10 in batting average, with Carlos Ruiz and Jonathan Lucroy at .362 and .348 respectively.

  659. Chuck Says:

    Raul..Kyle Skipworth hit for the cycle last night.

    The four hits raised his average to .206.

  660. Raul Says:


    Wow. He was really down there. But he’s a catcher. He just needs to get in that .250 range

  661. Cameron Says:

    Finally got the numbers on the Adam Jones extension. 6/85.5. making an AAV of $14.25MM

    …Is he worth that kind of investment?

  662. Chuck Says:


    Jones, yes. The contract that has me scratching my nuts is Miguel Montero’s.

  663. Raul Says:

    He doesn’t qualify yet, but if you use 100 Plate Appearances at the minimum, Bryce Harper ranks 9th among outfielders in OPS in the National League.

  664. Cameron Says:

    Harper’s not exactly a stud yet… But if he’s putting these numbers up in the majors at 19. …Just get the crow ready, I have a feeling he’s gonna be making us eat it before too long.

  665. Chuck Says:

    Got to admit, he impressed me last night…Livan Hernandez embarrassed him on a couple of 60 mph/55 ft breaking balls.

    Next time he came up Hernandez hung one and Harper hit it out. It was a mistake, and he was supposed to hit it out, but he recognized it right away, so props to him.

  666. Cameron Says:

    I’m wondering where the hell Harper’s ability is coming from. He couldn’t hit in A-Ball, not in AA, and not in AAA… So he gets fast-tracked to the majors and it fucking works?

    And normally I blame it on a lack of scouting… But he was the most-covered prospect in the country. There’s gotta be no shortage of tape and reports on this guy. I just don’t get it.

  667. Chuck Says:

    It’s called SSS.

  668. Chuck Says:

    Jered Weaver out of the game after facing three batters with an injury.

  669. Raul Says:

    Atta boy, Hughes.

    Allowing 4 runs after your teammates staked you a 3-0 lead…that’s the kind of performance that’s gonna take you straight to the top.

  670. Mike Felber Says:


    It was not predictable how well Harper would be doing. But it must be that his immense natural talents are catching up with his still limited understanding of the game. When he reached a certain basic understanding & comfort level he excelled. But he also gets credit for having the CONFIDENCE to thrive when he was failing at lower levels. Shows his resilience-most kids at least would be unable to so easily recover from his struggles at all other levels.

    He will likely go up & down this year, but do well overall, & there is no reason he cannot be a real star, at least likely next year.

  671. Jim Says:

    A few weeks ago Bob made note that the RS had brought up Daniel Nava, to which I replied something to effect that this was a sure sign of an apocalypse. In the 18 games since Daniel has contributed to the clip of .278/.431/.481 and an OPS+ of 147. It won’t continue of course, but he does deserve acknowledgement that he has take advantage of the opportunity.

    Darnell McDonald is nearing the end of his rehab assignment and one of them will need to go. McDonald has a reputation of being a masher of righties, though that hasn’t shown lately. But he is capable of playing all 3 OF positions at a replacement level, while Nava is restricted to left and he doesn’t play that well. Plus he is a much better hitter than McDonald. Given that Sweeney and Ross can play anywhere in the OF, I expect Darnell to be available.

  672. Bob Says:

    Youk has more trade value than McDonald. Could they even get a c+ prospect for him?

  673. Cameron Says:

    They could get about a AA pitcher for MacDonald. …Though at this rate, they’d be Boston’s ace.

  674. Chuck Says:

    SSS= Small Sample Size

  675. Chuck Says:

    C’mon Mike, if there’s anyone here I would expect to know what “sss” means, it would be you.

    Baseball’s been played for over 140 years, and sabermetrics have been “en vogue” for thirty.

    The entire sabermetric movement is designed on a small sample size.

  676. Chuck Says:


    Good point, Mike, I’ve actually heard that same opinion from some knowledgeable people, and not just discussing Harper.

    A person is so confident in his ability and talent, he knows within himself he belongs at the highest level of his profession, anything less is just going along for the ride.

    There was this guy, (Daughtry?) who was on American Idol a few years ago who didn’t even win but took advantage of the opportunity and became a star.

    Harper is where he always believed he should be, and has consequently relaxed his mind because he’s attained his goal.

    He’s NOT going to be a star, however.

    Lefthanded Mark Reynolds.

    You want to invest on a young guy, your money needs to be on Mike Trout, or Manny Machado.

  677. Mike Felber Says:

    Thanks Chuck. Though i just did not know what the acronym stood for. Though 30 years, certainly when you run enough games, is a very large pool/large sample size. And SM uses data from all of baseball history.

    We should make a dinner bet wager-defining what “star” means-on Harper. Only reason i can see him only being a Reynolds is if he is too stubborn to learn-he is a much bigger talent. And since he already HAS adjusted, ho about if he is in the top 5 in OPS + in the league? That would meet anyone’s definition of a high level star.

    So if he is “only” in the top 10 next year, we call it a wash. If he is NOT in the top 10, you win. If he is in the top 5, I win.

    And if unexpectedly he finishes in the top 10 in the league THIS year, I win.
    Fair enough Chuck?

  678. Bob Says:

    I have been a Harper supporter as well, with the exception of his mustache last year.

  679. Bob Says:

    Mike, also, what do you consider dinner. A soup? Two soups? An entree at Mindy’s plus a banana split from Daity Queen?

  680. Bob Says:

    Should be Dairy Queen

  681. Mike Felber Says:

    Seinfeld reference, eh Bob? Dinner would need to at least include an entree. I do not care about the details though, & do not know if Chuck would even get to NYC anytime in the foreseeable future-just fun to bet!

    I have minimal gourmet like tastes, yet do appreciate good ‘scream. Dairy Queen would never do it. Some high butterfat real quality stuff, even real frozen
    custard would do the trick. When i visited my bro in LA, he showed me a place named “Milk” that was superb.

    And real quality ‘scream in a malted (powder best, not just syrup) milkshake-that really would hit the spot!

    Shaken, not stirred.

  682. Bob Says:

    Yup, it was.

  683. Chuck Says:

    Here’s my only bet regarding Harper.

    He will be sent back to the minors before the end of this year.

  684. Mike Felber Says:

    Oh, you are maki9ng it too easy my friend!

    I like my steak Medium Well.

  685. Cameron Says:

    The way he’s been hitting, I want in on this bet. =P

  686. Chuck Says:

    And if I win, in what year will you pay off?

  687. Chuck Says:

    OK, Mike..next time I’m in New York we can meet in the alley behind Delmonico’s.

  688. Mike Felber Says:

    Think I will get Chuck to cook it. He can make it better than most 4 star establishments I an guessing. The gourmets are supposed to prefer medium rare, but I need medium well done to fully enjoy it. A semi-robust slightly salty spice, the fixin’s of ‘shrooms & creamed spinach are cool, hold the potatoes..

    Let’s call it Chuck Steak. If I lose, I will have to eat something inanimate, hat-like. But I believe Harper is here to stay.

  689. Cameron Says:

    Just for comedy value, I say the “hat-like” object should be a Nationals cap.

  690. Raul Says:

    How hard is it to get a meal at Delmonicos?

  691. Chuck Says:

    “The gourmets are supposed to prefer medium rare, but I need medium well done..”

    It’s a felony in some states to cook a steak past medium.

    Delmonico’s is pretty tough, reservations are a couple of months out from what I understand.

    Combine that with the dinner check being more than your rent, I’d say it’s pretty tough all around.

  692. Chuck Says:

    Seriously, dinner for two with a reasonable bottle of wine would run well over $100. Add an appetizer or a slice of cheesecake and you’re talking two bills.

    And I know of some restaurants who won’t cook a steak past medium, so Mike might have to pick up the overcooking charge.

    If Mike wins, I’ll send him an Applebee’s gift card.

  693. Mike Felber Says:

    Ha! It is more fun to collect it directly, but if i accept, the question is, would YOU accept the same as payment? Or is Applebees beneath you?

    To refuse to cook a steak to order seems precious & not at all customer service oriented. Even if we accepted that less well done is “better” in the abstract-leaving aside the basic possibility that a more cooked or charred steak is equally valid as “better” & a wholly subjective preference-folks should be able to get such a basic thing as meat cooked a little longer.

    Who needs wine? Not me when missing those adult tastes. Even the fine meat is a luxury. I do not need it, just fun to bet. My brother’s bachelor party was at Keen’s Steakhouse. Most pipes anywhere, all attached to the ceiling.

  694. Chuck Says:

    Yes, and no.

    Not my first choice when thinking about eating out options and certainly not for steak, but I do go from time to time. There’s an Applebee’s a couple of miles from my house..it’s my after golf happy hour destination.

    I know some restaurants that will not destroy a prime cut of beef just because someone doesn’t know how to eat it. They will be more than happy to shoe leather a less quality cut of meat for you, however.

    I’m not a wine fan with steak either, Mike, and I believe it is actually Keen’s who serves a shot of bourbon as an after meal palate cleanser?

  695. Mike Felber Says:

    Keen’s may do that-we had a room reserved & an attendant serving wine throughout.

    Something like me not appreciating wine, I freely admit. Though i heard a story recently about top experts in sommelier related concerns-including a Harvard wine club-having zero ability to pic k expensive, “finer” wines from the cheap stuff when the labels were removed. In repeated studies. The Emperor may have no clothes.

    Similarly, the common conceit amongst some that cooking meat more than a level that is deemed ‘appropriate’ may be elitist snobbery not based on fact. Why must it be objectively ‘true’ that liking a more thoroughly cooked steak is worse? Surely there are other joys & subtleties apparent with a medium well cut.

    Medium well is not shoe leather. But either way-& realizing I have no advanced palate, other than with ice cream-not all conventional wisdom amongst experts is correct. Or the only way to go.

  696. Chuck Says:

    The leaner the cut, the less fat marbling there is throughout.

    This is what keeps the cut from drying out during the cooking process, the less fat in the meat, the less it can be cooked.

    For a prime cut, medium IS well done, and which is why some places won’t cook it longer, you’re destroying the cut.

  697. Bob Says:

    I believe I have read or heard that chefs will use Au jus if a customer requests well-done or even a medium well steak to disguise the color of the meat.

  698. Bob Says:

    Actually, I just want this thread to reach 700 comments.

  699. Chuck Says:

    Customer to waiter: “I’ll have the steak and baked potato, with sour cream and au jus on the side”

    Waiter comes back to the table after putting in the request: “I’m sorry sir, the chef said we don’t have a Jew in the kitchen tonight, would an Italian be OK?”

  700. Bob Says:

    Good one.

  701. Mike Felber Says:

    OK, so for a lean piece of meat I will settle for medium. But nothing less. And i always heard that the best cuts of meat should not be too lean anyway.

    It is amazing to me that my tastes for meat are so variable. I do not like most all pork much-sausage, ham, pepperoni,bacon…just not my thing. Chicken is generally good, turkey is blah, but really it is beef that I like.

    My Mom’s french & Chinese hybrid beef stew when she was alive. Her Mom’s Brisket of beef where there was a separate pot of vegetables in broth-peppers, onions, carrots-love ratatouille by the way-& today a good cut of red meat, lean, roast beast maybe prime rib if lean…

    I do not know how much it is psychological, but if I get a good leanish cut of beef-can be sirloin, Chuck, NY Strip…it just FEELS good! Energizing.

    I mean, there is not that much Creatine in any 1 piece of meat, but it certainly feels like there is something special about a good quality serving or twoof beef. Am I right Chuck?

  702. Chuck Says:

    Yes you are

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