Sixth Annual Dugout Central Challenge – MLB Win Predictions

by KerryWhisnant

Before the season began, Dugout Central staff and readers were challenged to predict win totals for all thirty MLB teams. A total of five entries were received. For details about the contest rules, see the original article.

Here are the predictions, by division, in alphabetical order. The Over/Under win totals from the Las Vegas Hilton are also shown, as well as predictions from Baseball Prospectus. The 2013 and 2013 Pythagorean are the wins and Pythagorean wins, respectively, from last year.

NL East

Atl

Mia

NYM

Phi

Was

Chuck Johnson

91

65

73

72

94

Jim Mahoney

88

65

78

73

94

Cameron Nelson

95

52

76

64

89

Bob Owens

86

74

70

62

98

Kerry Whisnant

85

73

70

77

90

Average

89.0

65.8

73.4

69.6

93.0

Over/Under

87.0

70.0

74.5

74.0

90.0

Baseball Prospectus

81

69

75

77

89

2013

96

62

74

73

86

2013 Pythagorean

98

64

74

66

84

Not surprisingly, in the NL East the Nationals are favored by most everyone except for Cameron, who picked Atlanta. Nobody expects anyone else in the division to break .500.

NL Central

ChC

Cin

Mil

Pit

StL

Chuck Johnson

65

80

81

91

93

Jim Mahoney

71

91

72

94

95

Cameron Nelson

66

86

78

90

105

Bob Owens

74

90

66

97

94

Kerry Whisnant

63

83

83

82

93

Average

67.8

86.0

76.0

90.8

96.0

Over/Under

69.5

84.0

79.5

83.5

91.5

Baseball Prospectus

73

81

80

79

88

2013

66

90

74

94

97

2013 Pythagorean

71

93

76

88

101

Everyone expects St. Louis to win the NL Central, except for Bob, who favored Pittsburgh. The Pirates, and in some cases the Reds, are expected to be the main competition for the Cardinals. The Cubbies are expected to trail the field, except for Bob, who has the Brew Crew in last.

NL West

Ari

Col

LAD

SDP

SFG

Chuck Johnson

75

74

95

84

82

Jim Mahoney

82

76

90

79

80

Cameron Nelson

88

77

99

70

80

Bob Owens

81

71

97

74

76

Kerry Whisnant

77

76

94

79

84

Average

80.6

74.8

95.0

77.2

80.4

Over/Under

78.5

76.0

95.0

78.0

85.5

Baseball Prospectus

78

77

99

82

87

2013

81

74

92

76

76

2013 Pythagorean

80

76

89

72

74

Everybody thinks the Dodgers will take the NL West, though by different margins. For the most part, Colorado and San Diego are not favored to compete.

In the NL, the favored wild card teams are Pittsburgh (3 votes), Atlanta and Cincinnati (2 votes each), or St. Louis, San Francisco, and Washington (1 vote each). Overall, we all agree that Washington, Los Angeles, and St. Louis will make the playoffs; Pittsburgh and Atlanta get the next most votes.

In the NL, we were most in agreement on the Rockies, as our picks differed by only 6 wins (last year we disagreed the most on Colorado). We disagreed most on Miami, with a spread of 22 games (!).

As a group we predicted the Braves to a whopping win 7.3 games more than the Vegas line, our most optimistic choice; St. Louis was next with an average prediction 4.5 games above the Vegas line. We were most pessimistic on the Giants, with an average of 5.1 games below the Vegas line, although Philadelphia and Miami were not far behind at 4.4 and 4.2 games under the Vegas line, respectively The Vegas line wins add up to 2445, 15 more than possible, which indicates that the betting public as a whole is too optimistic.

For the AL we have:

AL East

Bal

Bos

NYY

Tam

Tor

Chuck Johnson

78

90

84

91

76

Jim Mahoney

87

92

78

92

80

Cameron Nelson

89

94

82

92

66

Bob Owens

82

88

92

97

74

Kerry Whisnant

79

90

87

87

81

Average

83.0

90.8

84.6

91.8

75.4

Over/Under

81.0

87.5

86.0

88.5

80.0

Baseball Prospectus

78

88

83

91

82

2013

85

97

85

92

74

2013 Pythagorean

85

100

79

87

77

We are split on the AL East between Boston and Tampa Bay. Bob and I also think the Yankees will contend. None of us expect Toronto to win more than they lose.

AL Central

ChW

Cle

Det

KCR

Min

Chuck Johnson

66

85

92

90

64

Jim Mahoney

65

91

94

92

70

Cameron Nelson

70

83

94

93

61

Bob Owens

64

86

95

92

63

Kerry Whisnant

74

80

90

78

67

Average

67.8

85.0

93.0

89.0

65.0

Over/Under

75.5

81.5

90.0

82.5

70.5

Baseball Prospectus

76

78

86

78

72

2013

85

92

93

86

66

2013 Pythagorean

89

90

99

87

63

We are unanimous on the Tigers to win the AL Central. Kansas City and Cleveland are favored to provide the main competition for Detroit. The Twins are picked by all but Jim to finish last; he had them ahead of the White Sox.

AL West

Ana

Hou

Oak

Sea

Tex

Chuck Johnson

86

57

82

89

85

Jim Mahoney

81

55

93

76

92

Cameron Nelson

82

50

90

77

92

Bob Owens

94

53

71

78

91

Kerry Whisnant

90

66

88

80

84

Average

86.6

56.2

84.8

80.0

88.8

Over/Under

87.5

63.0

87.5

80.5

86.5

Baseball Prospectus

88

66

85

82

82

2013

78

51

96

71

90

2013 Pythagorean

81

57

96

67

92

Only Houston did not get a choice as division winner in the AL West; the Angels got two. Only Chuck sees Seattle as a close competitor, while most of us agree that Oakland and Texas will be in the mix

We were only unanimous on two teams making the playoffs in the AL – Detroit and Tampa Bay. Boston and Kansas City got 4 votes each, while Anaheim, New York, Oakland, Seattle and Texas also got consideration.

We were most in agreement on Detroit, as our picks differed by at most 5 games. We disagreed the most on Oakland, with a range of 22 games.

As a group we predicted the Royals to win 6.5 games more than the Vegas line, our most optimistic choice. We were most pessimistic on the White Sox, 7.7 games below the Vegas line, although Houston was a close second at 6.8 games below.

So, how are our predictions doing so far? There are two different contests – one uses average win difference (AWD) and the other root mean square difference (RMSD). The difference scores are projected to the end of the season in two ways – extrapolate the current team wins to 162 games, the other to prorate our 162-game predictions to the current number of games. One method overstates the error, while the other understates it. By taking the geometric average (square root of the product) of the two methods those effects tend to cancel out. The standings below use this combined score. In practice, the two projection methods give very similar results for the ordering, even though numerically they are far off from each other and the final scores.

The projected scores for the two contests are shown in the following table, ordered by the AWD score. All games through April 10 are included. Of course we’re only a week and a half into the season, so they don’t mean much yet.

AWD

RMSD

KerryWhisnant

3.33

4.34

Chuck Johnson

3.42

4.29

Over/Under

3.38

4.42

Baseball Prospectus

3.54

4.59

Average

3.67

4.57

81 Wins

3.79

5.02

Jim Mahoney

3.95

4.86

2013 Pythagorean

3.96

5.01

Cameron Nelson

3.97

4.91

Bob Owens

4.00

5.05

2013

4.04

4.99

Also shown are the average picks for the three of us, the Over/Under line, predictions using last year’s win totals and last year’s Pythagorean wins, predictions by Baseballl Prospectus, and the simple-minded choice of 81 wins for all teams.

Updates will be provided periodically throughout the year using winning percentages, so there’s nowhere to hide, and may the best prognosticator win!

259 Responses to “Sixth Annual Dugout Central Challenge – MLB Win Predictions”

  1. KerryWhisnant Says:

    Sorry it took a while to get this up — we had a midterm exam and that took a lot of time.

    Please check your predictions to make sure they are correct. I may have typed something wrong in the article, my eyes started to glaze over after a while…

  2. Cameron Says:

    So Kerry, sorry for tanking the average vote. =P

  3. Raul Says:

    Any update at the midway point of the season?

  4. KerryWhisnant Says:

    I’ve been sending out a weekly update to participants. The standings as of Sunday:

    For the average win difference:

    Over/Under 4.35
    Kerry Whisnant 4.59
    Baseball Prospectus 5.01
    Chuck Johnson 5.89
    Average 5.93
    81 Wins 6.39
    Jim Mahoney 6.64
    2013 7.14
    2013 Pythagorean 7.20
    Cameron Nelson 7.46
    Bob Owens 7.82

    For the root-mean-square:

    Kerry Whisnant 5.74
    Over/Under 5.81
    Baseball Prospectus 6.37
    Chuck Johnson 7.28
    Average 7.41
    81 Wins 7.52
    Jim Mahoney 8.23
    2013 8.85
    2013 Pythagorean 8.87
    Cameron Nelson 9.60
    Bob Owens 9.62

  5. Raul Says:

    Kerry, how the hell are you performing so much better than the 2013 Pythagorean?

  6. Cameron Says:

    Screw that, what I wanna know is how someone fucked up worse than I did. I worked hard to tank those predictions, dammit!

  7. Bob Says:

    I worked harder!!!

  8. Bob Says:

    Lefty, will the Phillies waive Ryan Howard this off-season? Hearing mixed reports.

  9. KerryWhisnant Says:

    Raul: because I’m so good?

    Seriously, I don’t use last year’s Pythagorean records in my calculations. I actually look at the stats of the players on this year’s teams (a mix of PECOTA, 2013, and career), plus a schedule strength correction. Because teams change so much, using last year’s teams results would not be as representative.

  10. KerryWhisnant Says:

    I will say that beating the Over/Under is the real challenge. It’s always right near the top.

  11. KerryWhisnant Says:

    Cam and Bob: you guys have flip-flopped positions more than once already, so I’m sure it can happen again.

  12. Bob Says:

    A change in the rules. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11267278/baseball-hall-fame-cuts-election-eligibility-10-years

  13. Bob Says:

    The Red Sox traded Jake Peavy for I believe 2 players to be named later.

  14. Jim Says:

    RS get Edwin Escobar and Heath Hembree for Peavy, pitchers with guarded but potential upside but probably bullpen ML futures.

  15. Cameron Says:

    Not bad for the Giants I think. Low risk flier on a guy who can beat the best when he’s on his game. Praying for a bounceback.

  16. Raul Says:

    Let’s talk about how bad the David Wright contract is.

    He’s signed through 2020 and after this season he is owed 107 million dollars.

    Wright is OPSing .732 as I type this.

    For frame of reference, Denard Span is OPSing .738.

  17. Bob Says:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11283213/minnesota-twins-add-brandon-poulson-undrafted-24-year-old-pitches-100-mph

  18. Raul Says:

    I still have a shot! @ Bob.

    I’m only 34, lol

  19. Bob Says:

    Go for it. Scouts who read this, remember the strong 1st baseman in Westchester county 16-18 years ago? Sign him now!!!

  20. Cameron Says:

    St. Louis acquires Justin Masterson to take some of the sting of losing Michael Wacha until September.

  21. Bob Says:

    Felix Doubront to the Cubs for a ptbnl. Wild guess Jacob Hannemann.

  22. Cameron Says:

    Rumor mill sounds like there’s talk of Lester to the O’s, but no definites yet. He was scratched from his last start, though…

  23. Bob Says:

    His latest start should be tonight. Though as Raul said, he was scratched.

  24. Raul Says:

    Lester to the Orioles?

    I didn’t think Boston would deal too much within the division…certainly not with a pitcher like Jon Lester.

    Wow.

  25. Cameron Says:

    The trading within the division mentality is loosening up a bit these days because sometimes the best deals are in division and you always want the best deal.

  26. Bob Says:

    Hearing Lester to the A’s. Can anyone verify?

  27. Bob Says:

    It is true. Lester and Gomes for Cespedes!!!

  28. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, confirmed on mlb.com

    …Is… Is Oakland gonna make the World Series this year?

  29. Raul Says:

    I’ll say Oakland does reach the World Series, based solely off the odds.
    They’ve been in the playoffs a lot over the last 15 years and they’ve got to get lucky and pull through eventually.

  30. Raul Says:

    I don’t like this trade though.

    I wanted Kemp to get moved since he’s on my fantasy team and Fenway would have boosted his value tremendously.

    Bob Saget.

  31. Bob Says:

    1. Sonny Gray
    2. Lester
    3. Samardzija

  32. Bob Says:

    Will Kemp go to Seattle in the off-season?

  33. Cameron Says:

    A’s keep busy. Send Tommy Millone to the Twins for Sam Fuld. I like the move, as Fuld is a solid defender there and losing Cespedes really hurt their outfield depth.

  34. Cameron Says:

    St. Louis trades for more pitching. Send Joe Kelly and Allen Craig to Boston for John Lackey.

  35. Cameron Says:

    And I’m guessing Daniel Nava and Jackie Bradley are destined for either the bench or Pawtucket after today.

  36. Bob Says:

    In the past 10 days Boston has traded 4 pitchers from last years team.

    1. Peavy
    2. Lester
    3. Lackey
    4. Doubront
    5.

  37. Cameron Says:

    And their new rotation is…

    1 Clay Buccholz
    2 Rubby De La Rosa
    3 Allen Webster
    4 Brandon Workman
    5 Joe Kelly

  38. Bob Says:

    Marlon Byrd to the Yanks

  39. Bob Says:

    Or not. If you are unsure of something, do not tweet it.

  40. Raul Says:

    Years ago I said Boston was going to regret a lot of the contracts they handed out.

    And look where we are today, my friends.

    In the last year, how many dollars have they shipped to the west coast?

    Good lord…

  41. Cameron Says:

    Which is fairly hilarious, because most of that talent stopped sucking when it left Boston. Or in Gonzo’s case, kept playing like Gonzo.

  42. Raul Says:

    If you’re Dustin Pedroia…you can’t be too happy.

    The pitching is gone. Papi is almost retired. The prospects have either been traded away or aren’t developing like they had hoped.

    It’s not looking bright in Boston.

  43. Cameron Says:

    I think his 9 figure contract takes a lot of that sting out. =P

  44. Raul Says:

    Winning matters

  45. Cameron Says:

    Pair of minor moves.

    Milwaukee Gets
    =
    OF Gerardo Parra

    Arizona Gets
    =
    OF Mitch Haniger
    LHP Anthony Banda

    and

    Seattle Gets
    =
    OF Chris Denorfia

    San Deigo Gets
    =
    OF Abraham Almonte
    RHP Stephen Kohlscheen

  46. Cameron Says:

    Washington Gets
    =
    SS Asdrubal Cabrera

    Cleveland Gets
    =
    IF Zach Walters

  47. Cameron Says:

    The fire sale continues.

    Baltimore Gets
    =
    LHP Andrew Miller

    Boston Gets
    =
    LHP Eduardo Rodriguez

  48. Cameron Says:

    FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Detroit Gets
    =
    LHP David Price

    Tampa Bay Gets
    =
    OF Austin Jackson
    RHP Drew Smyly
    IF Nick Franklin

    Seattle Gets
    =
    To Be Determined

  49. Raul Says:

    Price for Jackson, Smyly and Franklin?

    Tampa already has an Austin Jackson type outfielder in Desmond Jennings.
    Tampa already has pitchers as good or better than Drew Smyly in the minors.
    I guess Nick Franklin MIGHT become something for them.

    This seems pretty weak. Maybe Tampa should have moved Price back in the Spring.

  50. Cameron Says:

    Details aren’t finalized yet. Only positive is that Price goes to Detroit. Tampa ans Seattle’s haul isn’t released until teams make official statement.

  51. Cameron Says:

    Also, am I the only one hoping for an A’s – Tigers ALCS with these rotations?

  52. Cameron Says:

    Um… Well, never thought I’d see these two teams trade.

    Yankees Get
    =
    SS Stephen Drew

    Red Sox Get
    =
    INF Kelly Johnson
    Cash Considerations

  53. Cameron Says:

    Whoops, New York got the cash, not Boston.

  54. Cameron Says:

    And one more for the Yankees.

    New York Gets
    =
    IF Martin Prado

    Arizona Gets
    =
    OF Pete O’Brien
    PTBNL/Cash

  55. Cameron Says:

    Late news from the wire rolling in now.

    Miami Gets
    =
    RHP Jarred Cosart
    UT Kiké Hernandez
    OF Austin Wates

    Houston Gets
    =
    3B Colin Moran
    OF Jake Marisnick
    RHP Francis Martes
    2015 Competitive Balance Draft Pick

  56. Bob Says:

    @ 51. I am hoping for A’s Tigers.

  57. Cameron Says:

    I know right? That Tigers rotation’s gonna be scary in October with Verlander, Scherzer, and Price.

    Also, fuck Detroit for making us face that shit for the next two months…

  58. Cameron Says:

    Ah, got the details.

    Detroit Gets
    =
    LHP David Price

    Tampa Bay Gets
    =
    LHP Drew Smyly
    IF Nick Franklin
    SS Willy Adames

    Seattle Gets
    =
    OF Austin Jackson

  59. Bob Says:

    The Cubs promoted Javier Baez.

  60. Cameron Says:

    The first of many since it’s past super two cutoff.

  61. Raul Says:

    Thought about picking up Baez but he strikes out too much.
    He’ll probably be exposed early on, like George Springer.

  62. Cameron Says:

    The Cubs kinda have an embarrassment of riches in the pipeline for the infield. They already have Castro, Rizzo played like an All-Star this year, Alacantra is there now, Baez just got called up, and Russell and Bryant are on the way likely before the year ends.

    …Who the hell starts? My guess is Bryant moves to left and after that, a lot of tinkering.

  63. Bob Says:

    The Nationals acquired Matt Thornton off waivers from the Yankees.

  64. Raul Says:

    I doubt Bryant appears in a game this season.

    Matt Thornton just seems like a good pickup no matter where he goes.

  65. Raul Says:

    Chase Whitely and Vidal Nuno have made 26 starts for the Yankees, amassing 142 innings, a 6-8 record and a combined 5.26 ERA.

    Even with Sabathia, Tanaka, Nova and Pineda out, if those guys could have pitched at League Average level, NY would probably be a game out of 1st.

  66. Cameron Says:

    Maybe not Raul and maybe not Russell either, but they’ll be starters by next year. Still, not the worst problem to have as an organization.

  67. Cameron Says:

    The Dodgers get a back-end arm for the rotation in Roberto “Fausto Carmona” Hernandez for 2 PTBNL or cash.

  68. Cameron Says:

    Also, both Cole Hamels and Marlon Byrd have been claimed off waivers, there is now a 48 hour trade window, so keep your eyes open.

  69. Lefty33 Says:

    I wouldn’t look too deeply into any of the names from the Phillies which have cleared waivers. There is no chance in hell that Hamels is going anywhere. That entire idea is a 100% media driven nonsense crazy train.

    Byrd I suppose could be moved but as of now his two biggest suitors have been the M’s & Royals and he has already blocked moves to both via his limited no trade clause. The sticking point with both teams is that he wants his ’16 option picked up to waive his no trade and neither team will do that. So unless the Phillies step in to eat all or most of that option (which they won’t) there is nothing happening there. Aside from some passing interest by the Yankees, Byrd hasn’t been linked with many teams because of his option and because of his comments before the season that he wants to play in Philadelphia/could see himself retiring there.

    Aside of Byrd, a longshot with Kendrick and possibly Bastardo I can’t see the Phillies moving anyone else meaningful simply because either they have nothing internal that is of a major league caliber as a replacement and/or the contracts they have on the books are toxic plus they will not eat money to make a trade so in essence they are stuck with the crew they have unless someone gets very desperate and is willing to take on, as an example, Burnett’s 12.75 million dollar player option for ’15 plus give the Phillies something tangible in return.

    Rollins is 10/5 and knows that if he allows himself to get dealt somewhere else he’ll be held accountable for his half-assed play (i.e. potentially benched) so he’s content to stick it out one more year knowing that he’ll have his name written on the lineup card daily regardless of how he plays.

    Utley is 10/5 and if he stays healthy he has options which could keep him in Philadelphia thru the ’18 season at $15 million per so he’s not going anywhere.

    They’re not eating tens of millions to trade Howard and even if they did, as of now, they have nothing to replace him with so in essence like Rollins he’ll get his name written on the lineup card daily regardless of how he plays. Also, he goes 10/5 next year somewhere around the trade deadline so if the Phillies don’t eat money to move him they’ll be automatically locked into his $25 million dollar anchor for the ’16 season as well.

    Papelbon is the least likely to move because of his mouth & contract. No one is paying the prorated $13 million for this year, next year and ’16 while giving the Phillies something in return. Maybe next year if Ken Giles proves himself more but nothing is happening now. Of course you can’t forget that he has made it clear that he’ll block a trade to even WS caliber contenders if he will not be the guaranteed closer.

  70. Cameron Says:

    Hamels was claimed by the Cubs, no word on Byrd yet.

  71. Cameron Says:

    Also forgot to mention that Papelbon was also put on waivers. He cleared.

  72. Lefty33 Says:

    Of course Papelbon is going to clear waivers. No one wants him.
    Unless the Phillies eat a huge portion of the $30 million or so that he’s owed, which again they won’t do, he’s going to be their problem from now until the end of the ‘16 season which is an OK problem considering that he’s been great this year.

    Hamels can be claimed by the Cubs, the Bad News Bears or the Hanshin Tigers and in the end it doesn’t matter. He’s not going anywhere because no team is going to eat his entire contract while giving the Phillies their three best prospects in return.

  73. Cameron Says:

    Derek Jeter is now sixth on the all-time hits list. He will need 84 to take 5th.

  74. Cameron Says:

    The window has passed, Hamels clears waivers.

    Also, Yasiel Puig managed to pull one of my favorite moments in baseball. The bat-crack check swing.

  75. Cameron Says:

    Seems slow, so here’s video of the Puig swing I mentioned. Half the bat makes it about halfway to third base. On a check swing.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/la/yasiel-puig-is-so-strong-he-snaps-hia-bat-checking-a-swing?ymd=20140808&content_id=88675286&vkey=news_la

  76. Chuck Says:

    I mentioned in spring training I wouldn’t be around much because I was asked to be part of a MiLB.com focus group working on site changes and accessibility.

    Here’s the result.

    http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140811&content_id=88620018&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb

  77. Cameron Says:

    Oh shit…

    RIP Robin Williams

  78. Raul Says:

    Much better, Chuck.

    The MiLB pages left a lot to be desired in the past.

  79. Raul Says:

    The last time KC was in 1st place this late in the season was in 2003, when Cameron was still in underoos.

  80. Bob Says:

    I was too.

  81. Raul Says:

    Hahaha @ bob

  82. Bob Says:

    Last comment from me on this issue, but others may go wild. http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11343259/steve-ballmer-officially-new-owner-los-angeles-clippers

  83. Bob Says:

    My turn to go wild!!! http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2014/07/17/elle-macpherson-bikini-body-photos/?xid=outbrain_peoplenews

  84. Cameron Says:

    So, HOW ‘BOUT THEM ROYALS, BABY!?

  85. Raul Says:

    Wow @ bob.

    She looks amazing

  86. Bob Says:

    Tulo out for the year.

  87. Bob Says:

    1. Pirates acquired John Axford.

    2. Manfred still one vote short.

  88. Cameron Says:

    And at the moment we’re kicking the ass of the best team in baseball. Go Royals.

  89. Cameron Says:

    And the lead gets bigger…

  90. Bob Says:

    All you Notre Dame fans, munch on this, assuming you can read it!!! http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–notre-dame-investigating-potential-academic-fraud-that-could-involve-football-players-174318867.html

  91. Cameron Says:

    God dammit, guys… We tank last year after losing Golson to this shit and now this?

  92. Cameron Says:

    Another day, another day the Tigers are in second place.

  93. Cameron Says:

    70 wins now for KC, we’re gettin’ there.

  94. Cameron Says:

    Pat Neshek gave up his #41 jersey to John Lackey. In return, he gets a signed Babe Ruth ball.

    I’ll call that worth it.

  95. Bob Says:

    So would I.

  96. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, Lackey did it because it turns out Neshek is a huge memorabilia collector.

  97. Cameron Says:

    Oof, tough break for Garrett Richards…

  98. Bob Says:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/rusney-castillo-on-track-for-six-year-72mm-deal-with-red-sox.html

  99. Raul Says:

    The Seattle Mariners will likely have their 1st winning season since 2003.

    Cano is a big part of it.
    But so is Kyle Seager…probably the most improved player in the game this year.
    And so are Chris Young, Hisashi Iwakuma and as always…Felix Hernandez.

    The Mariners still need a lot of help offensively (OF and 1B have virtually nothing to offer). And the FA market is thin at 1B.

    Outfielders is not as weak, but unless they can convince Nelson Cruz to leave a winning team in Baltimore, I doubt he’s going anywhere.

    Looks to me like their best option is still working out a trade for Matt Kemp.
    With a (presumably) healthy Austin Jackson and an above-average guy like Kemp, Seattle’s offense would be moderately threatening.

  100. Cameron Says:

    Fuck the Mariners, at this rate the Royals will make the first playoffs since they won the World Series. =P

  101. Raul Says:

    KC is doing it with pitching.
    Which, given their ballpark, sounds about right.

    But I don’t know how long they can keep this up with SIX regulars OPSing under .700.

    Anyway, Alex Gordon is hitting .306/.379/.467 on the road this season.
    If he played in another ballpark, and considering his defense (teams don’t run on his arm), he’d be like…the 9th or 10 overall outfielder in the game.

    Maybe higher.

  102. Cameron Says:

    So… That Tigers game.

  103. Cameron Says:

    And uh… That other Tigers game. Giving up 32 runs in 2 days…

  104. Cameron Says:

    Mike Trout needs 9 more home runs to hit 100 for his career.

    …Let me remind you briefly that Mike Trout is younger than me by 11 months.

  105. Cameron Says:

    Welcome back DC. …That was weird.

  106. Bob Says:

    Ron Washington stepped down as Rangers manager.

  107. Cameron Says:

    Due to a “personal matter”. I hope whatever happens to him isn’t too bad. I like Wash.

  108. Chuck Says:

    It’s not him.

  109. Bob Says:

    Oscar Pistorius is not guilty.

  110. Chuck Says:

    How is that possible?

    Wait, never mind, he’s a celebrity who bought the jury.

  111. Jim Says:

    @110 South Africa’s OJ

  112. Bob Says:

    Chris Davis suspended for 25 games. ( rest of season) Used Adderall.

  113. Cameron Says:

    Pistorious was found not guilty of premeditated murder. However, he was found guilty of culpable homicide, a Commonwealth of Nations equivalent of second-degree murder.

  114. Bob Says:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11513442/data-estimates-3-10-nfl-retirees-face-cognitive-woes

  115. Bob Says:

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11514871/judicial-figures-show-ray-rice-deal-offered-rarely

  116. Jim Says:

    the RS-Royals series this weekend shows that a team can’t play good baseball when the players have both hands wrapped around their collective necks. Sorry Cam. Hoping KC makes it.

  117. Cameron Says:

    One more win and we’re guaranteed to finish over .500. I’ll fucking take it.

  118. Cameron Says:

    Mike Trout is probably gonna win MVP this year… But holy hell, Jose Abreu is right up there with him in terms of the season he’s having. I thought Abreu would be good, but he’s really surprising me.

  119. Cameron Says:

    And that’s win number 82. Expectations exceeded.

  120. Bob Says:

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882?mod=wsj_nview_latest

  121. Cameron Says:

    Hm… Interesting approach. I kinda dislike how they’re holding onto the fact that they continue to use it just because it “might” work. The seeming lack of peer review seems like they hired some bad scientists.

  122. Cameron Says:

    Frank Wren out as the Braves GM.

  123. Bob Says:

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/11573247/guilder-rodriguez-texas-rangers-gets-first-mlb-hits-13-years-minor-leagues

  124. Jim Says:

    @121 Difference between science practiced in business and pure science. The hell with peer review, let the greenbacks decide.

    See Felix Hernandez got rocked tonight v. the Jays. Pressure of the pennant race?

  125. Cameron Says:

    All I care about when it comes to pitchers getting rocked is Verlander imploding tomorrow so we can get back in first place.

    …Speaking of Verlander, what in the hell happened?

  126. Bob Says:

    The Braves offered their job to John Hart.

  127. Cameron Says:

    He’s in as interim, I don’t know if he’ll keep the job full-time or not.

  128. Bob Says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–braves-offer-john-hart-full-time-gm-job-012722315.html

  129. Bob Says:

    Dave Stewart offered the GM job in Arizona

  130. Bob Says:

    Speaking of pure science (though possibly impure bottled water)

    https://www.yahoo.com/health/why-you-shouldnt-drink-warm-bottled-water-98234856882.html

  131. Bob Says:

    Just winners for now. Perhaps delve a tad deeper over the weekend.

    ALMVP = Trout

    NL MVP= Kershaw

    AL Cy = Kluber

    NL Cy Kershaw

    AL Rookie = Abreu

    NL Rookie = deGrom

  132. Cameron Says:

    You have no idea how much I want to make some argument against Trout just to see if there’s any other competition, but there really isn’t. Abreu may be as good at the plate, but figuring defense and base running, Trout could sweep.

    Kershaw wins everything, awards included, and if Kershaw could find a way to pitch on no rest for a whole series, the Dodgers would have no competition for the World Series. And you people thought I was crazy for saying he was going to be better than Jon Lester back in 2009.

  133. Cameron Says:

    After 29 years, the wait is over, welcome to October KC!

  134. Bob Says:

    Cameron, congrats.

  135. Jim Says:

    Go Royals!

  136. Cameron Says:

    So… Who’s looking forward to tomorrow night? First postseason game in 29 years for the Royals. I’m only 24, so this is new to me.

  137. Jim Says:

    Hell Cameron, you haven’t been waiting long. Pulling for the Royals, but I have to admit mixed emotions with Lester going for the A’s.

    Twins finally fire Ron Gardenhire. 4 consecutive 92 loss seasons, doesn’t earn you another bite of the apple.

  138. Cameron Says:

    I like Gardenhire and think he’s a good manager. He was given the Bad News Bears to work with, but I would’ve fired him too just so the state of Minnesota wouldn’t be calling for my head. He’ll probably get kicked upstairs.

  139. Jim Says:

    Gardenhire has been a good manager and he has had squat to work with, but that team has played lackadaisically over the last couple of years.

  140. Cameron Says:

    God damn it Butler, you had one job. Stay on the bag and wait for Gordon to hit, but what do you do? You wander off like a dumbass.

  141. Cameron Says:

    Fuck Brandon Moss.

  142. Cameron Says:

    Holy shit, Finnegan’s on the mound? Didn’t we draft him this year?

  143. Cameron Says:

    WE DID IT! WE ACTUALLY DID IT!!!

  144. Bob Says:

    @ 142 Yes you did.

    @143. Yes you did. Congrats.

  145. Cameron Says:

    2 up, 2 down, break out your brooms!

  146. Jim Says:

    @145 Don’t get over confident

  147. Cameron Says:

    Screw that, I’ll be as confident as I want right now. It took us how long to get to the show? I’m enjoying this fucking ride.

  148. Jim Says:

    And you should. I was living in St Louis in 2004 and watched the game in a local bar, then caught the light rail downtown to wander amongst the festivities. I’ll never forget it.

  149. Cameron Says:

    Game 3’s becoming a laugher really quick.

  150. Cameron Says:

    Next stop, Baltimore! Let’s go baby!

  151. Bob Says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/fan-in-critical-condition-after-beating-in-angel-stadium-parking-lot-friday-205024890.html

  152. Bob Says:

    Josh Beckett will retire.

  153. Jim Says:

    Nice to see the Dodgers joining the Angels on the golf course

    Particularly impressed with AGon’s line .188/.235/.375/.610. Its all about being clutch.

    Pulling for the Royals, but my head says the O’s. Taking the Cards for sentimental reasons.

  154. Cameron Says:

    I wanted the Dodgers to go to the Series so the Royals could rub it in Greinke’s face in the biggest way possible.

    Also Jim, I have faith in the Royals. The O’s rely on the long ball and decent pitching while only having adequate defense outside of JJ Hardy. KC is a team built for series like this, small ball, defense, and stellar pitching. At this point, I think it’s our year.

  155. Jim Says:

    Cameron, you make some good points, while I’m picking the O’s, it is only of the narrowest of margins.

  156. Cameron Says:

    If Cruz and Pearce and Jones can really get hot, we might be screwed. But we kept Oakland relatively in check and absolutely shut down the Angels. While I think we could lose, it’s not a possibility I’m scared of.

  157. Bob Says:

    Yankees and Cashman = 3 more years. Kind of like Hardy and the Orioles.

  158. Cameron Says:

    This postseason is fucking surreal…

  159. Bob Says:

    Andrew Friedman is leaving Tampa for Los Angeles

  160. Cameron Says:

    I am in utter shock right now. Is this really happening?

  161. Jim Says:

    Cameron, I can assure you that this is not a dream and you will not wake up to find that game one of the ALCS is tomorrow evening. You will wake up as the 2014 AL Champions who will have a few days to wait for their WS opponents. Enjoy!

  162. Bob Says:

    Cameron, yes. Once again, congrats to you,

  163. Cameron Says:

    Well… Nothing left to do now but slay some Giants, eh boys?

  164. Cameron Says:

    Texas hires Jeff Banister as the next Rangers manager.

  165. Jim Says:

    Ugh, the WS doesn’t start till Tuesday.

    @163, you’re sounding a little cocky Cameron.

  166. Cameron Says:

    You think I’m gonna cheer for us to lose? =P

  167. Cameron Says:

    Any of you guys been keeping up with the AFL using a pitch clock to try and speed up games? It’s cutting games down to about two and a half hours, so I’m down for that.

  168. Bob Says:

    I really do not care about the length of a game. So you go to a game, have a couple of beers and are going back to work? Bullshit. And if you cannot hack 5 hours of sleep for one night you have might have health issues.

    Personally, I think spending 4 hours at Fenway/insert any ballpark you want/ would be awesome.

  169. Cameron Says:

    I’d have to look into what time is being cut to get a better judge of things. If it’s just the actual batting being sped up, I suppose that’s okay. Personally my biggest peeve is that about an hour per game is lost due to ads on TV in between pitching and inning changes, even if you’tr at the park.

  170. Chuck Says:

    Congrats Cameron..long time coming for you..like you’re whole life…LOL

    Now you have license to rag on Cubs’ fans.

    Can’t wait til Spring Training next year..AL Champs literally in my backyard..sharing the same site as the Rangers, champs from a couple of years ago.

  171. Cameron Says:

    Five years before my whole life, Chuck, but thank you. =P

  172. Jim Says:

    A few things I’d like to see implemented to speed the game up.

    The catcher or other fielder can only go to the mound once per inning.

    A manager or coach can only go to the mound twice in an inning, once per game.

    When the pitcher has the ball and his foot is on the rubber the batter must be in the batter’s box ready to hit. If not the pitcher is free to throw the ball. Tired or watching batter rituals between pitchers.

    Enforce the 12 second rule (8.04) for pitchers. Currently the rule applies only when the bases are empty, but I’d like to see some time limit when runners are on.

  173. Bob Says:

    Chili Davis will be the Red Sox next hitting coach.

  174. Jim Says:

    Bet Cameron is having a better evening tonight.

  175. Cameron Says:

    I’m actually watching this game past the fourth inning tonight, so yes. =P

  176. Bob Says:

    Joe Maddon opted out of his contract. Is Don Mattingly going to be fired if the Dodgers do not go 35-5 through their first 40 games?

  177. Cameron Says:

    Maybe not 35-5 bad, but no one feels the spotlight harder than Donnie. If they aren’t winning the NL West by the break, who knows?

  178. Jim Says:

    Maddon jumping ship, definitive evidence that the Rays’ are a sinking ship? Having a minor league system that regularly produces quality major leaguers is much easier when you regularly have top 10 positions in the draft than when you’re drafting 20-30.

  179. Cameron Says:

    RIP Jack Bruce

  180. Cameron Says:

    Oh shit. RIP Oscar Taveras.

  181. Cameron Says:

    The Taveras news still seems surreal even after some time to sink in. Twenty-two… He was younger than me, and I’m not that old. Really messes with you to think something like that can just happen.

  182. Bob Says:

    The Jays claimed Justin Smoak. Raising speculation that Adam Lind could be traded.

  183. Bob Says:

    The smartest guy in baseball. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11782266/jose-canseco-accidentally-shoots-self-hand-police-say

  184. Bob Says:

    Joe Maddon and the Cubs.

  185. Cameron Says:

    If true, I like the move. We’ve seen what Maddon can do with talented young players and there’s a lot coming down Chicago’s pipeline that he can work with.

  186. Cameron Says:

    Damn it…

  187. Cameron Says:

    God… I’m still screwed up from all the adrenaline from last night.

  188. Jim Says:

    KC had a great season regardless of the outcome of last nights game. Should be good for several years.

  189. Cameron Says:

    We could easily be back next year. This is a team built to last.

  190. Cameron Says:

    Hm… Looking at the free agent list and nothing too sexy for the Royals. Only definite upgrade I see is if we can convince Hanley to play second or sign Rios. Neither of which may be too implausible actually, we look like a winner now.

    And I think we can compensate for Shields without signing anyone new if we hand the ace’s reigns over to Ventura. Though some mid-range starters like Masterson or Liriano would be nice.

  191. Cameron Says:

    Paul Molitor is the new Twins manager.

  192. Jim Says:

    Good luck to Molitor, but am I the only one who believes that the Twins’ organization is too insular?

  193. Cameron Says:

    Finalists announced for awards this year.

    AL Manager of the Year
    -
    Mike Scioscia, Angels
    Buck Showalter, Orioles
    Ned Yost, Royals

    NL Manager of the Year
    -
    Bruce Bochy, Giants
    Clint Hurdle, Pirates
    Matt Williams, Nationals

    AL Rookie of the Year
    -
    Jose Abreu, White Sox
    Dellin Betances, Yankees
    Matt Shoemaker, Angels

    NL Rookie of the Year
    -
    Jacob deGrom, Mets
    Billy Hamilton, Reds
    Kolten Wong, Cardinals

    AL Cy Young Award
    -
    Felix Hernandez, Mariners
    Corey Kluber, Indians
    Chris Sale, White Sox

    NL Cy Young Award
    -
    Johnny Cueto, Reds
    Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
    Adam Wainwright, Cardinals

    AL Most Valuable Player
    -
    Michael Brantley, Indians
    Victor Martinez, Tigers
    Mike Trout, Angels

    NL Most Valuable Player
    -
    Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
    Andrew McCutchen, Pirates
    Giancarlo Stanton, Marlins

  194. Bob Says:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11841146/mike-vrabel-tweets-super-bowl-rings-won-new-england-patriots-stolen

  195. Cameron Says:

    I don’t get why people try to pawn stolen SB rings. Those things don’t go missing every day, they’re gonna find you.

  196. Cameron Says:

    So Kluber won the AL Cy. Doesn’t that mean he has to be traded somewhere next year, or did the Indians change up that rule?

  197. Cameron Says:

    Stanton got PAID!

  198. Jim Says:

    $25M AAV will be above average, but not huge dollars for good player in 5 years, so the deal makes sense for the fish, and Stanton can walk in a few years if Loria is Loria.

    Jason Heyward to the Braves.

  199. Cameron Says:

    RIP Ray Sadecki. Never met Ray, but he was a family friend, so I felt need to pay respect.

  200. Bob Says:

    http://6lawrence.com/news/crime-fire-courts/12838-5-men-including-boston-red-sox-minor-league-player-arrested-for-armed-burglary-robbery-in-Lawrence

  201. Bob Says:

    Huge day for the Red Sox

  202. Jim Says:

    This years likely inductees to the HoF, Pedro, Randy Johnson & John Smoltz would make a formidable front end of a rotation.

    Bob, not crazy about Hanley Ramirez. Panda is fine, hopefully he won’t turn into a whale till at least year 5

  203. Bob Says:

    Today is clearly a precursor of things to come.

  204. Cameron Says:

    These deals will be good for about a year or two, but I question how well these guys will age.

  205. Bob Says:

    Pablo will move to 1st in 2 years and then go on to dh. He should be fine. If Hanley is good for 2 years, I will jizz all over the place.

    But it does give them flexibility for the rest of this off-season.

  206. Jim Says:

    With Joe Kelly as their most reliable starter, the RS better find some pitching.

  207. Cameron Says:

    Hanley’s bat will play well for the next couple of years I think, they’re not paying him for defense.

    And rumor has them talking to Hamels, so about pitching…

  208. Lefty33 Says:

    “And rumor has them talking to Hamels, so about pitching…”

    Highly unlikely that they’re talking to Hamels.

    Like I said to you at the trade deadline, the idea of Hamels going somewhere is complete media driven bull shit. What team is seriously going to take on the $110 million owed to him plus give up their three best major league ready prospects? The only teams that seem to make sense are the Cubs and Red Sox. The Red Sox more so than the Cubs do not have the pieces needed for the Phillies to accept a trade, assuming of course that you can get Hamels to not block the deal, as any of the guys I have seen as being on the table are mostly B-List prospects which won’t get the job done or are guys where the Phillies already have a piece in place which isn’t going anywhere like at 3B with Asche/Franco or 1B with Howard and eventually Franco.

    The #1 deal breaker there aside of the fact that Hamels is not motivated to leave Philadelphia nor are the Phillies motivated to move him is that they are interested first and foremost in Mookie Betts who the RS have all but said is untouchable. If the Sox make him available plus someone like Matt Barnes then maybe you’ve got something but anything I’ve seen about the Red Sox and Hamels involves let’s say Barnes and then either B or C list talent or guys in the low minors who are at best years away which again won’t get the job done.

    As of now I’m not saying that it’s impossible but I would be very surprised to see Hamels not pitching for the Phillies come opening day versus the RS not for the RS.

    The Phillies are highly enamoured with Mookie Betts who the Red Sox have all but told everyone is not in play.

  209. Bob Says:

    The Red Sox I doubt will trade Betts or Blake Swihart. Bogaerts is a possibility, though only for an ace.

  210. Jim Says:

    Amaro will probably set the bar so high to trade for Hamels that he’ll stay in Philly. The $110M owed Hamels, assuming he forces his option to be picked up, wouldn’t bother several clubs, but the money and raping the farm system, no. If the Philly’s would take a deal for 2 of Barnes, Cecchini, Marrero and Ranaudo plus 2-3 prospects deeper in the minors then maybe. Think of this as Johan Santana redux, but the long term deal is in place.

  211. Lefty33 Says:

    And Jim that’s why no deal is likely going to ever happen and that’s why all of these “rumors” are so stupid.

    No team is going to be able to satisfy what Hamels will want to drop his no trade in that his option will have to get picked up along with satisfying the Phillies wishes that they won’t be responsible for a penny of his contract plus three top flight major league ready players in return.

    Cecchini does nothing for the Phillies as he is an offensive lightweight and they already have someone comparable or better in Asche or the golden child in Franco.
    Ranaudo also doesn’t do a lot for them in that he’s got no consistent third pitch along with less than stellar control. At the major league level he’ll get killed as a starting pitcher which long term makes him maybe a decent pen piece.

    Neither of those guys are worth the Phillies time and/or are an upgrade over what they already have on the roster just like lower minor league players mean nothing to them.

    The Phillies want in particular OF help now to backfill Byrd and to push the dump button on that turd Brown. Any team not willing to offer that is just kidding themselves that they have any chance at Hamels.

  212. Cameron Says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, folks. Death to turkeys.

  213. Bob Says:

    Unless you eat venison, like I did once.

  214. Cameron Says:

    The Yankees land Didi Gregorious to be their next shortstop and Tampa hires Kevin Cash to be their new manager.

  215. Bob Says:

    And then their is this: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11983889/jayson-werth-washington-nationals-gets-10-days-jail-reckless-driving

  216. Cameron Says:

    Don’t do three digits on a major highway where state patrol is watching.

    …Be like me and do it in the middle of nowhere where no one is watching.

  217. Jim Says:

    Yanks sign Andrew Miller

  218. Cameron Says:

    4/36 is pretty expensive for Miller, but he gives them a really good lefty out of the bullpen. All in all, not a bad day for the Yankees.

  219. Bob Says:

    Si Sportsman of the Year is Madison Bumgarner. Awesome selection

  220. Cameron Says:

    Don’t say that name, Bob.. It hurts too much.

  221. Bob Says:

    Sorry Cam. Though he deserved it.

  222. Cameron Says:

    Phillies close to sending Jimmy Rollins to the Dodgers and have traded Antonio Bastardo to the Pirates.

  223. Cameron Says:

    Rollins trade comes off the back of LA dealing Dee Gordon to Miami for Andrew Heaney.

  224. Bob Says:

    The Sox and Tigers with a deal of Cespedes for Porcello, with Alex Wilson and someone else going to Detroit.

  225. Bob Says:

    Kemp was traded to the Padres and Masterson signed with the Red Sox.

  226. Cameron Says:

    KC signs Kendrys Morales to be our Billy Butler replacement. I’m cautiously optimistic.

  227. Cameron Says:

    I like how Boston is handling their lack of pitching. Masterson, Porcello, and Miley are really solid pickups to add to Buccholz and Kelly.

  228. Bob Says:

    Yes they are. And they are not done. With Pablo manning third, you know Middlebrooks will be dealt. The question is will he be the third piece to a big deal, or someone they peddle for a back-up catcher or a serviceable relief pitcher.

    And they still have a surplus of outfielders

    1. Betts
    2. Hanley
    3. Castillo
    4. Victorino
    5. Bradley Jr.
    6. Holt and Craig, who both can also play in the infield.

  229. Bob Says:

    I forgot about Nava.

  230. Cameron Says:

    Unless they want to open a competition between Castillo and Betts for center or see if Castillo can push Victorino out of right, their best bet might be trading Betts because he is stone cold cockblocked in the infield.

  231. Bob Says:

    The starters will be Betts, Castillo, and Hanley. If Victorino proves he is healthy during Spring Training, and the Sox eat some salary, he will most likely be traded.

    Not about to speculate on what or whom they will get.

  232. Cameron Says:

    Who is where though? You really think Hanley’s arm has enough left in it for right?

  233. Bob Says:

    Hanley in left, Betts in right.

  234. Jim Says:

    The RS will move on from Victorino, he wants to start and won’t be happy as a 4th OF. Very doubtful that the Sox would trade Betts, except as part of a package that brought back a Stanton/Trout/Strasburg type of talent. The Sox see Betts as a lead off hitter, something they sorely lacked, even when Ellsbury was here.

    I like what the Sox have done this fall, filling out their rotation with salaries that equal a year of Lester. Thoughm I agree with Bob, that they’re not through and need one more arm that ideally is a cut above what they’ve got. Doubt it will be Cole Hamels, as the Phils are asking too much. Amaro doesn’t seem to realize that Hamels is at peak value and after the trading deadline he will decline in value due to his age.

    Betts in right

  235. Cameron Says:

    I think they’d be smart to hold on to Bradley and Craig as they’re quality backup OF in there and Holt, Nava, and if Victorino is still there, let them fight it out for playing time if (IF) Boston wants a sixth outfielder.

  236. Lefty33 Says:

    “and after the trading deadline he will decline in value due to his age.”

    That’s ludicrous Jim. Whatever value Hamels has will not decrease between now and July as long as he continues to pitch the same way. The guy is only turning 31.

    “Amaro doesn’t seem to realize that Hamels is at peak value”

    Amaro is not the one driving the ship in Philly. He’s a lot like Cashman in NY who is a puppet or a figurehead who’s job it is to take the heat while doing the bidding of the guy(s) who sign his check.

    Amaro was handicapped for years by David Montgomery and his veteran fetish and now that’s he is on a medical LOA with the team’s ownership situation currently in flux it’s all about what Pat Gillick wants to do as he is the one behind the scenes calling the shots for now.

    As for the RS rotation, I don’t know Jim it could be good but at the same time Cherington may have put together a bulldozer of an offense with a 3rd rate SP staff. What they have now with Porcello as their #1 and a group of #4’s and #5’s with Miley-Buchholz-Masterson isn’t scaring anybody. That’s not a staff that wins in October or even gets to October unless you’re putting up scores every night that would make The Pats blush.

  237. JIm Says:

    Gee, talk about prickly Lefty.

    Regarding the RS pitching staff, the AL east is no longer a beast, so that staff will be strong enough to win that division.

  238. Cameron Says:

    Whatever anyone else wants to sign, they better do it before the White Sox sign the rest of the friggin’ market.

  239. Jim Says:

    Yes, the south-siders have been buying like my wife at a shoe sale. But considering how god awful they’ve been and maybe, just maybe, the Cubs can be decent, the WS felt like they needed to do something.

    And the Yanks have been oddly quiet. Miller is a nice pick up, but they lost Robertson, so it is about a wash. Gregorius will make the pitching staff happy, but he’s a piece part not a difference maker. In fact they have been AC/DC the last few years. Stayed away from expensive FA, then panicked last fall after a season of empty seats and declining TV viewership had them shelling out overpays to Ellsbury and McMann. Many expected them to be in on Lester…

  240. Cameron Says:

    The 2015 Cubs will be good, but it’s gonna feel like a warmup for when they guys in the pipeline really warm up around 2016-2018.

  241. Bob Says:

    Actually, I think the Yankees win the Miller/Robertson swap as they pick up a draft pick in the process, and really did they need/crave a 3-headed bullpen monster? Someone’s ego could get bruised if they wind up with the bronze.

  242. Cameron Says:

    Well, a three-headed monster was one game out from winning the World Series this year. Just sayin’.

  243. Jim Says:

    Given how quickly and often Giradi will go to his bullpen next season, having as many quality arms as possible wouldn’t be a bad idea.

    Pretty sure the WS first round pick is protected, so the draft choice won’t be as good as it may have been.

  244. Bob Says:

    http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/87141-jorge-scammed-out-of-11-million-bucks/http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/87141-jorge-scammed-out-of-11-million-bucks/

  245. Bob Says:

    Also John Bowen, if you are still above ground, congrats to Navy for their victory over Army on Saturday.

  246. Bob Says:

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/12040968/chris-conte-chicago-bears-says-playing-nfl-worth-long-term-health-risk

  247. Cameron Says:

    Of course Chris Conte would say that. He doesn’t know what a good tackle looks like, guy’s a turnstile of missed tackles.

  248. Bob Says:

    1. The Jays signed Ryan Kalish

    2. The Giants re-signed Sergio Romo

  249. Cameron Says:

    San Diego trades for Wil Myers and KC signs Edinson Volquez and Alex Rios.

  250. Jim Says:

    Not sure what Tampa is up to as it appears the Nat’s ended up with the best prospects.

  251. Cameron Says:

    Turner looks like he could be something special, but I like the immediate takeaway for San Diego as they get a good middle-order bat (if he’s healthy) and clear room for Hedges by shipping away Grandal and Rivera. Not a team that will win the NL West but a team on the upswing.

  252. Jim Says:

    Pads did well and will get the best in the short term. Unless Myers’ wrist turns out to be a chronic condition.

    Kemp deal hit a speed bump, seems his physical revealed that he has “old lady” hips. What’s the over-under that the Dodgers kick in another $20M to assuage Padre concerns?

  253. Bob Says:

    I’ll take over. The Dodgers are flush with cash, have too many outfielders, and cannot come to spring training with Kemp. Padres should demand 30 million more.

  254. Cameron Says:

    Jesus, two arthritic hips at thirty. You kinda have to feel bad for the guy.

    …And also kinda baffled that the Dodgers didn’t find this sooner. You think with how many trips to the trainer’s room he’s had they’d have given him a physical.

  255. Jim Says:

    If he’s not complaining, or even if he is they give him aspirin. The hips probably don’t bother him enough now to effect his play, but in a couple of years?? But you do need to feel for someone at that age with those problems.

  256. Bob Says:

    The Royals signed Kris Medlen to a 2-year deal.

  257. Cameron Says:

    I’m actually really liking KC’s offseason this year. It’s pretty low-key, but we haven’t broken the bank and got a lot of good talent on the cheap.

  258. Jim Says:

    Cam, do you believe that the Royals have enough pitching to get back to playoffs without Shields?

  259. Cameron Says:

    Into the playoffs? Yes. Into the World Series? Barring unforseen development from Duffy or Finnegan/Zimmer turning into overnight aces, probably not.

    I got to Game 7 in a year I was happy to break .500, I’m more than happy with being a good team for now.

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